Can you solve this study?

RewanDemontay

Here’s a tough problem for you all! It’s White to move and win

Gyula Breyer, Magyar Sakkvilag, 1918

 

Arisktotle

It doesn't feel right. White wins but it is not study-like. Is this really an endgame "white begins and wins"?

RewanDemontay

@Arisktotle it really is that.

Arisktotle

The problem is that 1. Pxf8=Q+ Kxf8 2. Kd7! wins without complications. I can't figure out what else to do frustrated.png

queenstands

Pxf8=Q+ Kxf8 as above mentioned, but I would cont. with Kd7+ ??

Arisktotle

Of course, "Kd7+??" is much stronger than "Kd7!". How did I miss that? frustrated.png

jiangyh1234567
Nxe4
JamesColeman

1.exd8=black knight#

krudsparov
JamesColeman wrote:

1.exd8=black knight#

? Nxe6 the N on d8 or f8

JamesColeman

Oh yeah sorry, my bad. I’ve definitely seen this before and recall there’s a promotion to a black piece involved.

RewanDemontay

@JamesColeman. The original solution did indeed have a promotion to a Black piece. 

@Arisktotle You’re solution is correct as it is a cook to this joke of a problem.

For both of you and many more, see the problem here: https://pdb.dieschwalbe.de/search.jsp?expression=probid=%27P1372243%27

 

You can find the original solution there is German notation.

Arisktotle

And I thought Breyer was a serious composer frustrated.png

logixtheGod
I’m thinking maybe kg3=pe4
logixtheGod
I don’t know what I’m talking about ha
bsrti

As I understand the target is to remove the black king. 

After that white can capture many black pieces 

JamesColeman

Ah yeah, thanks “Outrageous chess problems” was where I’d seen it before. 

Arisktotle

It amazes me how anyone could think that 1. Pxf8=Q+ does not win. Look at the overwhelming activity of the white pieces in a materially equal position apart from some powerless pawns. "Die Schwalbe" writes that black in is in zugzwang after 1. ... Kxf8 2. Kd7 as if white scores a lucky victory but that too is completely non-sensical. Black is simply crushed in a few moves by the pile of wood dumped on him.

RewanDemontay

@Arisktotle Just to let you know, I'm the one who wrote the Zugzwang in there. wink.png

Arisktotle

Thanks for coming out wink.png. I myself placed some notes in a problem database (probably the same) that others considered non-sensical. It's the occasional price of choosing to be over not to be. Nothing personal!