How do you win a Queen and king vs king and rook endgame?

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Avatar of BTMIllion

How does one get checkmate to ensue if you are presented with such an endgame. I heard it was a difficult win with best play but is there a certain method that should be followed like with the other endgames or is it just an endgame that has to be figured out.

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what you should do is get king and rook far apart and then check king so he cannot hold on to his rook. :)

Avatar of BTMIllion

May I have a clearer example please? I doubt it's that easy.

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it is:

1.the trick is to keep checking him as that will cause him to move away from his rook then capture his piece.

2. you could take a draw

3. you could attempt checkmate

but my final idea is that you should ask a GM or an IM.

Avatar of peepchuy

It is difficult, and even some grandmasters will draw having the Queen if they have not practiced it recently. My suggestion is to play it against a computer with tablebases. Even if it never appears in your games, you will gain a lot of understanding.

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In practice it's quite easy as you can usually rely on your opponent playing too passively and/or dropping their rook to a tactic. I wouldn't have a clue how to go about winning it against perfect defence. On the other hand, I've never had it in a serious game. Life is just too short to worry about some things...

Avatar of FChopin99

Find a fork, skewer, or pin. Check the king until he is forced into a position that will give you one of these.

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GM Akobian has some ideas.

Start watching at 21:50 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsCt9sG6oig

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nichster wrote:

what you should do is get king and rook far apart and then check king so he cannot hold on to his rook. :)

What type of style are those pieces?

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White's 78. Kf3 is a blunder because Black has 78... Rg3+!! 79. Kx93 stalemate.

Avatar of Rivair96

In the book Elementary Chess Lessons by Capablanca he teaches how to deal with this endgame.

Avatar of rexniebezpiecznik

My idea is easy, just check king that long how is possible and get rook

Avatar of Sogood135367

On move 78 black can move the rook to g3, which forces a draw by stalemate or insufficient material.

Avatar of NewPatzer

there's a free chessable course on this. but the idea is basically the attacker will force the defender to the 7th rank and the rook on the 6th after that force it the rook to relinquish the 6th rank to the 7th rank while the forcing the king to the backrank. then either fork the king and rook or if rook doesn't want to leave the king force it into philidor position and eventually the rook will leave the king then you'll be able to fork the king and rook.

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you need to relay on opponents mistake or time advantage otherwise it is draw

Avatar of SwimmerBill
JamesColeman wrote:

In practice it's quite easy as you can usually rely on your opponent playing too passively and/or dropping their rook to a tactic. I wouldn't have a clue how to go about winning it against perfect defence. On the other hand, I've never had it in a serious game. Life is just too short to worry about some things...

Agree-- If the weaker side knows well the best defense, they are likely to know a lot more about openings and MGs as well. (So are likely against me to be the one with the queen.)

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Go to https://www.shredderchess.com/online/endgame-database.html and set it up. It will take around 30 moves (depends on starting position)