How to Break a 3v3 Pawn Formation

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Dragonearl06

Amazing

Arisktotle
Areola-Grande wrote:

the stereotype asians are smart I'm sort of an anomaly sometimes it takes awhile

As long as you deliver the stereotype asian karaoke performance of Ariana Grande. wink

hijabinerd

Easy way to remember:

1. Push the central pawn first.

2. If your opponent takes using the right pawn, push your left pawn. And vice versa.

Arisktotle

I always had one leg in asian sports: judo, tabletennis, go. And I just inspected my nails. Perhaps I ought to ....

Arisktotle
hijabinerd wrote:

Easy way to remember:

1. Push the central pawn first.

2. If your opponent takes using the right pawn, push your left pawn. And vice versa.

The main thing to remember is: use your visualization/calculation skills. Learning rules is tiresome and the rules often overlook the details as I explained in post #11. And if you can't do that, train it! Without visualization/calculation you have no future in chess.

hijabinerd
Arisktotle wrote:

The main thing to remember is: use your visualization/calculation skills. Learning rules is tiresome and the rules often overlook the details as I explained in post #11. And if you can't do that, train it! Without visualization/calculation you have no future in chess.

Hard disagree. Obviously a concrete approach trumps heuristics, but heuristics also exist for a reason. You have to learn what the general principles are first before learning the specific scenarios in which it's fine to break them.

Arisktotle
hijabinerd wrote:

Hard disagree. Obviously a concrete approach trumps heuristics, but heuristics also exist for a reason. You have to learn what the general principles are first before learning the specific scenarios in which it's fine to break them.

Yes, heuristics exist for a reason - to help you along when something is beyond your calculation skills. If this is, you really ought to switch to checkers - or perhaps baseball? Also, these things will register in your neural network. It will ring a bell when the pattern repeats. Also, heuristics are known to be flawed. You always need the support of precise calculations. Heuristics work best on the big things like a rook is better than a knight. I'm told engines like StockFish use very few heuristics. Of course, they are huge on calculations.

hijabinerd
Arisktotle wrote:
hijabinerd wrote:

Hard disagree. Obviously a concrete approach trumps heuristics, but heuristics also exist for a reason. You have to learn what the general principles are first before learning the specific scenarios in which it's fine to break them.

Yes, heuristics exist for a reason - to help you along when something is beyond your calculation skills. If this is, you really ought to switch to checkers - or perhaps baseball? Also, these things will register in your neural network. It will ring a bell when the pattern repeats. Also, heuristics are known to be flawed. You always need the support of precise calculations. Heuristics work best on the big things like a rook is better than a knight. I'm told engines like StockFish use very few heuristics. Of course, they are huge on calculations.

"you really ought to switch to checkers".

I can see you like arguing for the sake of arguing, so I'll leave you to it. 😂

For everyone else, plenty of prominent chess teachers stress the importance of learning in terms of general ideas. Human beings aren't computers, only calculating at the board.

It's perfectly normal to familiarise yourself with chess endgame principles like the rule of the square, opposition, lucena and philidor positions, and yes, knowing about 3v3 pawn breaks like this so you don't have to calculate on the spot.

Arisktotle
hijabinerd wrote:

"you really ought to switch to checkers".

I can see you like arguing for the sake of arguing, so I'll leave you to it. 😂

You confuse the generalities and the specifics. The 3v3 breakthrough is very very very easy to calculate and indeed if you can't do it you have no business playing chess. There are countless other pieces of endgame knowledge which are worth acquiring for the practical game player. Anyone on a say 800 rating level has many more relevant things to learn than the obscure 3vs3 pawn breakthrough! A real teaching environment would discuss the general principles of pawn breakthroughs where this might be one of the simple examples. As long as it doesn't go "dumb and dumber" with instructions like "remember to first push the middle pawn" etc etc. My advice: "forget all but the concepts behind a pawn breakthrough and calculate the rest".

hijabinerd

I think I'll trust GM Jesus De La Villa over a 1680 who literally hasn't played a rated game on chess.com since 2016 lmao, and only hangs around on the site being obnoxious to users trying to learn. But thanks for the 'advice'.

Arisktotle
hijabinerd wrote:

I think I'll trust GM Jesus De La Villa over a 1680 who literally hasn't played a rated game on chess.com since 2016 lmao, and only hangs around on the site being obnoxious to users trying to learn. But thanks for the 'advice'.

Yes, I suppose 2016 is the year 0 for you - long after my game playing career was finished and I played speed chess here for fun. Not to speak of my endgame study career which still continues and places me in the expert range. But you're welcome to stick with your idols, I never cared much to become anyone's idol.

Thaihurricane
Facts chess rules
TheCurious1357
White is totally winning here. Just move middle pawn, and sac 2 pawns
TheCurious1357
Middle pawn, any take left or right, right then sac the right one, left then the left pawn sac. Gg boi. If they don’t take then we get a free pawn lol