Queen v Rook Position

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I've been studying (for countless hours) the Friedel videos on Queen vs. Rook. In the initial position below, the only good move for black after white Qf4 is supposed to be Kd7. I've been able to figure out why every other move for black is bad *except* for Kc8. I put it into the engine and heck if I can figure out how white converts it into a win. Any helpful clues for this position?

MARattigan

Any move is bad in the sense that Black is going to lose, so it's only a question of how quickly.

Any moves but Kd7 or Kc8 lose the rook PDQ, but there's not a lot between those two moves.

Easiest thing is to follow the lines suggested by Syzygy here. The DTZ lines may be more of interest than the DTM because Black will resign once you reach KQK.

 

mantine73

2. Kc5

mantine73

If 2... Rb8 3. Kc6

mantine73

If 2... Rb7 3. Kc6 Rd7 4. Qf5

mantine73

Rb6 loses for black

mantine73

I mean Ra6

mantine73

Re6 loses to pin

mantine73

Rb6 loses to fork

mantine73

I mean Rg6

mantine73

Rb3 eventually loses to fork

mantine73

Rb2 loses complicated

mantine73

Rb1 loses to fork

mantine73

Kb7 loses complicated

mantine73

And everything else loses rook

technical_knockout

spam much wow...

youtube 'derek grimmell'.   😁

dhroov12

qd6 and lose qween for free lol

 

newbie4711

IMO one of the most pointless endgames you can study. You have a huge material advantage and very likely it was possible to keep one or two pawns and finish this game with R+2P vs R or something like this.

The other point is nobody in the world is able to find the best defensive moves.

technical_knockout

actually QvR is a fascinating ending to study & can arise quite easily from RvP:

the youtuber i mentioned (derek grimmell) has an excellent series of videos devoted to this complex.

Ziryab
technical_knockout wrote:

actually QvR is a fascinating ending to study & can arise quite easily from RvP:

the youtuber i mentioned (derek grimmell) has an excellent series of videos devoted to this complex.

 

Indeed.