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Accelerated London System... How to crush this famous opening ?

korotky_trinity
Just repeat first moves of your opponent.

korotky_trinity

They calculate that in the Accelerated London System... White win in 40 % of games.

But not in this one.

BryanCFB
korotky_trinity wrote:
 
Just repeat first moves of your opponent.
 
 

 

This probably doesn't always work but it worked here!

Better for white was 10. Nf3 and if 10...Re8 then 11. 0-0.  White being up a pawn can certainly afford to give the pawn back while obtaining a safer king position than in the game.  And anyway if 11...Rxe3 then white gets a good position with 12. Ne5+.

korotky_trinity
 BryanCFB wrote:
korotky_trinity wrote:
 
Just repeat first moves of your opponent.
 
 

 

This probably doesn't always work but it worked here!

Better for white was 10. Nf3 and if 10...Re8 then 11. 0-0.  White being up a pawn can certainly afford to give the pawn back while obtaining a safer king position than in the game.  And anyway if 11...Rxe3 then white gets a good position with 12. Ne5+.

Brayn, so greedness of this man ruined his position.

If he gave up the e 3 pawn then he would have not bad perspectives for this game.

But I am proud of the fact that I didn't make even one mistake in the game. )

Robi_Play

Cool

BryanCFB
korotky_trinity wrote:
 BryanCFB wrote:
korotky_trinity wrote:
 
Just repeat first moves of your opponent.
 
 

 

This probably doesn't always work but it worked here!

Better for white was 10. Nf3 and if 10...Re8 then 11. 0-0.  White being up a pawn can certainly afford to give the pawn back while obtaining a safer king position than in the game.  And anyway if 11...Rxe3 then white gets a good position with 12. Ne5+.

Brayn, so greedness of this man ruined his position.

If he gave up the e 3 pawn then he would have not bad perspectives for this game.

But I am proud of the fact that I didn't make even one mistake in the game. )

Yes, you played well.  All one can do is play well and take advantage of what their opponent gives them.

tygxc

2 Bf4 violates the opening principle knights before bishops, but 2...Bf5 does so as well and thus certainly is inapt to demostrate the weakness of 2 Bf4.

pfren
tygxc έγραψε:

2 Bf4 violates the opening principle knights before bishops, but 2...Bf5 does so as well and thus certainly is inapt to demostrate the weakness of 2 Bf4.

 

2. Bf4 is an improvement over the classical move order, and its aiming against a very specific line:

 

As you may understand, with Nf3 replaced by Nd2 the move 7...Bf5 is not terribly appetizing... tongue.png

parthsrivastava1
He is following you and he make some changes
dude0812
korotky_trinity wrote:
 
Just repeat first moves of your opponent.
 
 

 

Your opponent was playing badly. For instance, he shouldn't have took your dark square bishop before playing Qf3+. Qf3+ is an obvious move which would prevent all the problems which happened later. Also, your opponent didn't have to go to that line in the first place (even thought the line is good for white, but he misplayed it).

Kapivarovskic

Well your opponent played terribly, london, sicilian, spanish or italian wouldn't make a difference... but if you want to crush the london, assuming your opponent has about the same rating as you all you have to do is take the london player out of their little book and odds are in your favor

dikmasterson

Instead of b5 on the 4th move, why not g3 to pressure the black bishop? Unless you want to castle king side and keep the pawn wall intact.

Nf3 might be good too, to guard against black's g5.

AtomicSquid9964

hi

korotky_trinity
Kapivarovskic wrote:

Well your opponent played terribly, london, sicilian, spanish or italian wouldn't make a difference... but if you want to crush the london, assuming your opponent has about the same rating as you all you have to do is take the london player out of their little book and odds are in your favor

Yes, the computer said that he played not well... But now I think that your opponent plays badly when you manage to get a good position on the board for your pawns and pieces.

This is why I think that my first moves against his London System were important.

They gave me a chance to outplay him after... to use his mistakes as Bryan said. )

Am I not right ?

korotky_trinity
dikmasterson wrote:

Instead of b5 on the 4th move, why not g3 to pressure the black bishop? Unless you want to castle king side and keep the pawn wall intact.

Nf3 might be good too, to guard against black's g5.

I think he didn't move g3 becoz he wanted to make a castle on the Kingside.

Usually if you want to castle over there then you don't move pawns on this side of the board.

korotky_trinity
dude0812 wrote:
korotky_trinity wrote:
 
Just repeat first moves of your opponent.
 
 

 

Your opponent was playing badly. For instance, he shouldn't have took your dark square bishop before playing Qf3+. Qf3+ is an obvious move which would prevent all the problems which happened later. Also, your opponent didn't have to go to that line in the first place (even thought the line is good for white, but he misplayed it).

I think that 11. Q f3 was made in order to start to prepare an attack on my King.

So I understood it during the game.

I don't remember what the computer's analysis said about  his 11. Q f3.

How the computer evaluated this his move.

 

korotky_trinity
pfren wrote:
tygxc έγραψε:

2 Bf4 violates the opening principle knights before bishops, but 2...Bf5 does so as well and thus certainly is inapt to demostrate the weakness of 2 Bf4.

 

2. Bf4 is an improvement over the classical move order, and its aiming against a very specific line:

 

As you may understand, with Nf3 replaced by Nd2 the move 7...Bf5 is not terribly appetizing...

Wow ! It's so complicated.

Like the High Mathematics. )

The Chess experts scare me a bit always.

No chance to beat them. )

Kapivarovskic
korotky_trinity wrote:
Kapivarovskic wrote:

Well your opponent played terribly, london, sicilian, spanish or italian wouldn't make a difference... but if you want to crush the london, assuming your opponent has about the same rating as you all you have to do is take the london player out of their little book and odds are in your favor

Yes, the computer said that he played not well... But now I think that your opponent plays badly when you manage to get a good position on the board for your pawns and pieces.

This is why I think that my first moves against his London System were important.

They gave me a chance to outplay him after... to use his mistakes as Bryan said. )

Am I not right ?

 

I didn't look at it with the computer I quickly glanced through the moves but for example you simply don't allign your king and queen in an open file like that... especially in short time formats....

now as for making bad moves yes it should be harder finding the right moves in difficult and/or complicated positions when the moves aren't obvious or there's only one quiet move that saves the position obviously... But then again at least up until my level people play poorly regardless of the position... blunder winning positions all the time, I have escaped and missed mate in one countless times, have hung free queens with no compensation and have also captured them in the same fashion....  I thought your first moves were ok... as I said most london players just play the same initial moves regardless and if you play something different of their little book they often don't know what to do... It's just the way you click-baited the title of the topic making it seem like there was some fairly unknown variant or something of the kind that gives you an advantage or a dynamic position that's fun to play.... and then went ahead to show your opponent playing poorly non-logical moves was a misdirection of what really happened in my opinion

korotky_trinity
Kapivarovskic wrote:
korotky_trinity wrote:
Kapivarovskic wrote:

Well your opponent played terribly, london, sicilian, spanish or italian wouldn't make a difference... but if you want to crush the london, assuming your opponent has about the same rating as you all you have to do is take the london player out of their little book and odds are in your favor

Yes, the computer said that he played not well... But now I think that your opponent plays badly when you manage to get a good position on the board for your pawns and pieces.

This is why I think that my first moves against his London System were important.

They gave me a chance to outplay him after... to use his mistakes as Bryan said. )

Am I not right ?

 

 

 

It's just the way you click-baited the title of the topic making it seem like there was some fairly unknown variant or something of the kind that gives you an advantage or a dynamic position that's fun to play.... and then went ahead to show your opponent playing poorly non-logical moves was a misdirection of what really happened in my opinion

Hmm... I understand your criticism.

But actually I think that I built a good Chess structure in that game. 

And I don't see the reasons why you said these words that I didn't create potentially "dynamic position" in the beginning.

And I really think that many novices can play versus London System in the way I did.

And my post would be useful for them.

Why not ?

But you are right. I wanted to attract attention to my topic as you wrote. What is so bad with that wish ?

We all are people. )

Kapivarovskic
korotky_trinity wrote:
Kapivarovskic wrote:
korotky_trinity wrote:
Kapivarovskic wrote:

Well your opponent played terribly, london, sicilian, spanish or italian wouldn't make a difference... but if you want to crush the london, assuming your opponent has about the same rating as you all you have to do is take the london player out of their little book and odds are in your favor

Yes, the computer said that he played not well... But now I think that your opponent plays badly when you manage to get a good position on the board for your pawns and pieces.

This is why I think that my first moves against his London System were important.

They gave me a chance to outplay him after... to use his mistakes as Bryan said. )

Am I not right ?

 

 

 

It's just the way you click-baited the title of the topic making it seem like there was some fairly unknown variant or something of the kind that gives you an advantage or a dynamic position that's fun to play.... and then went ahead to show your opponent playing poorly non-logical moves was a misdirection of what really happened in my opinion

Hmm... I understand your criticism.

But actually I think that I built a good Chess structure in that game. 

And I don't see the reasons why you said these words that I didn't create potentially "dynamic position" in the beginning.

And I really think that many novices can play versus London System in the way I did.

And my post would be useful for them.

Why not ?

But you are right. I wanted to attract attention to my topic as you wrote. What is so bad with that wish ?

We all are people. )

 

Nothing wrong with wanting attention to what you think is worthy of sharing, but the means used in doing so... you are advertising a porsche and selling a beetle, which is your right in a free world, as is my right to criticize clickbaits...

as for the position getting dynamic i looked at it again and you had an attack going after a couple of terrible moves sure, but if your opponent long castled which for me seems to be the only move I can quickly spot that makes sense you would probably play a boring endgame with symmetrical structures... but in all honesty i don't really see that helping so much beginners also, that useless Bb5+ giving you a free tempo is not something that would happen often ... and after all those trades and Nf6 I would pick white any day... up a pawn which you can maybe give back in return for long castling and launching a kingside attack

 

now I'm not trying to offend you or saying that you should stop posting what you think is helpful or anything like that, I am simply voicing my opinion please don't take it personally