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Yafuso
I recently started playing chess again (learned as a child) to get good enough to beat my dad who I remember playing a lot with various friends over the years when I was a kid.

I can beat the 1000-1200 bots so my main question is does this correlate with a human rated around 1000-1200? Is this overzealous thinking on my part?



Alramech
Yafuso wrote:
I recently started playing chess again (learned as a child) to get good enough to beat my dad who I remember playing a lot with various friends over the years when I was a kid.

I can beat the 1000-1200 bots so my main question is does this correlate with a human rated around 1000-1200? Is this overzealous thinking on my part?



The rating does not correlate well to human players.  It seems that the bots are overrated compared to humans.

 

Yafuso
BlunderousWilliam wrote:

Good question! Until you get to the advanced bots, the ratings are a bit weird. The beginner/intermediate bots often make mistakes or blunders to reflect their rating. Still, beating the 1000-1200 bots is quite an achievement for someone around 500 (no offense, that's meant to be a compliment). I can beat up to the 1600 bots, and I'm just over 1300. The way I see it, the overall play of the ~1200 bots is around the level of a 900-1000 human player. The bot ratings really start getting accurate around the 1600 or 1700 rating and above.

compliment accepted! I take no offense I don't know where I stand elo wise as I need to play more games until I hit a wall, I have been consistently moving up with more wins than losses.  I don't have a huge background in chess besides learning it as a kid I think the best jump start to my chess game was going through bobby fischer teaches chess

 

welifivin

So ur saying that when i beat a 2300 bot i can beat someone rated 2300 rated in real life? In real life im only rated 1257 lol.

DonaldDuck_01

I have also started playing recently again and I can beat bots at level of 1600. However, I can beat human players only somewhere between 800-900. The bots are playing very different from human. When I try to play a solid opening and I don't blunder a piece in the first few moves, the bots then often make some crazy blunder that a human player would never make. Also it seems to me that they are very bad in the endgame. For example Nelson bot cannot deliver mate with king and rook! That is unthinkable for a human player of the same rating. With other bots I also could make a draw in the endgame that would be 100% lost against the a human player of much lower rating.

AnonymousNarwhal

The bot ratings are alright if you treat them playing with a 2 minute time control.

nTzT

The bots are known to be highly overrated compared to actual player ratings.

DonaldDuck_01

I tried with the 2 minutes time limit as advised but even though it is more difficult I can still defeat Nelson (1300 rated bot) and for example Emir (1000 rated) is really easy to defeat even with the 2 minutes on the clock. I think the problem is that the bots play different from human. They seem to make completely ridiculous blunders from time to time but on the other hand they always notice when I make a blunder. A low rated human often tries some kind of tricks they learned somewhere and they defeat me with it even though their overall level is not that good. The bots seem not to do that. I think they evaluate each position and then they play some move rated as best or second best or third best etc. to emulate a certain level but it leads to some really strange outputs that sometimes they play a completely stupid move and sometimes a really great one. Also for example Nelson has the really silly strategy to take out the queen right at the beginning and make many moves with it and that can be easily punished. I think a human player with rating 1300 would not make 3 moves with the queen in the first 6 moves of the game. I tried to train with the bots a lot and then I thought I would be defeating human players with the same level but it is not the case. After a lot of games with the bots I do not seem to do any better against human players so I don't recommend training with the bots that much. It is probably better to train against human players and learn from the tricks they use to defeat me instead of thinking that training with the bots will make me a great player.

ricksaurus
DonaldDuck_01 wrote:

I have also started playing recently again and I can beat bots at level of 1600. However, I can beat human players only somewhere between 800-900. The bots are playing very different from human. When I try to play a solid opening and I don't blunder a piece in the first few moves, the bots then often make some crazy blunder that a human player would never make. Also it seems to me that they are very bad in the endgame. For example Nelson bot cannot deliver mate with king and rook! That is unthinkable for a human player of the same rating. With other bots I also could make a draw in the endgame that would be 100% lost against the a human player of much lower rating.

I can beat bot of 1600 but lose to human of 800ish. Maybe we should discount bot ratings by half. happy.png

aspiringlegend234
ricksaurus wrote:
DonaldDuck_01 wrote:

I have also started playing recently again and I can beat bots at level of 1600. However, I can beat human players only somewhere between 800-900. The bots are playing very different from human. When I try to play a solid opening and I don't blunder a piece in the first few moves, the bots then often make some crazy blunder that a human player would never make. Also it seems to me that they are very bad in the endgame. For example Nelson bot cannot deliver mate with king and rook! That is unthinkable for a human player of the same rating. With other bots I also could make a draw in the endgame that would be 100% lost against the a human player of much lower rating.

I can beat bot of 1600 but lose to human of 800ish. Maybe we should discount bot ratings by half.

 

same bro. im 820 and I just beat a 1500 bot easily

 

Bon

Same I can beat bots rated 1300 and im  rated 402

the_random_guy8117

They are slightly overrated, like I can beat the Fundy bot (1400) as an 900-1000 rated player.

carlosrudolph98

It seems that some bots on lower elo-ranges tend to overlook something. With some positional play you can beat them easily...

FLL119

I found this weird too because I have 400 chess Eli and can beat a 1500 no, does this mean I have a lower Elo than my actual rating.

whiteknight1968

The bots are very overrated. I have beaten Wally (supposedly 1800). I have never beaten a 1600 player. They could easily be 300 overrated.

FLL119

Yes I also find my elo too low as well because I have a friend who is 700 elo and I’ve beaten him many times.

PowerNeko

Oh my goodness, like did you know that sometimes these chess bots can have higher ratings than actual human players who are playing at the same level? (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧ It's like, how can a computer be worse at chess than a person, right? (≧◡≦) But the thing is, these bots can sometimes struggle with certain aspects of the game that humans might excel at, like dealing with complex, multi-layered positions, or adapting to unexpected or unconventional moves. (◕‿◕) Plus, they might not have the same kind of creativity or intuition that human players can bring to the table. So even though they might be super fast and accurate at analyzing positions, they can still have weaknesses that human players can exploit due to their limitations on that so called elo. (^▽^) 

mrobodyy

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SantoTophe

 I think a lot of people can beat a 2300 bot when being on 1200, but the thing is that sometimes bots indeed make the most stupid blunders and sometimes then just do the best moves i've ever seen. The thing is when you defeat a high bot 1 time it doesn't tell you anything. When you defeat the bot times and times in a row, then you can consider you defeated the bot.