Danish vs Vienna

Hello everyone, this is my first contribution to this forum, so forgive me if I forget important things.

With whites, I've been playing the london system with white since I started chess, and now I really start to feel bored with it. So, I wanted to learn something more agressive. I watched videos about the danish gambit, which looks fun but also very risky especially knowing that I mostly play 10 minutes games. The Vienna gambit looks fun too, but I really don't know what to choose.

I am looking for something that is more active than the london system and that plays well for 10-minutes games on beginner and intermediate levels.

What is your opinion ? I'm also interested if you have some other ideas than the ones I just gave.

Thank you !

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"With whites, I've been playing the london system with white since I started chess" ++ Good!

"I really start to feel bored with it" ++ Why? GMs play more than you and do not get bored.

"I wanted to learn something more agressive." ++ London is good.

"I watched videos about the danish gambit" ++ That is bad.

"The Vienna gambit looks fun too" ++ It is better.

"I am looking for something that is more active than the london system" ++ London is active.

"10-minutes games on beginner and intermediate levels" ++ 15|10 is better for progress.

Thanks for the answer.

By bored I mean that it's more or less always the same thing on the first moves, I don't want to forget it completely, but I feel like to keep my motivation I need to try something different. Also I think maybe it will help me to progress. And by active, I mean something maybe more challenging for the blacks. Maybe I am playing it wrong, but I feel like the london system does not put lots of pressure (I have some exception, for example against king's indians players I tend to capture the black bishop as fast as possible).

Could you develop on why danish is bad and vienna is better to you ?

I take note of your advice concerning game length.

I've seen a few posts with people staying the London system is boring.... I never learned openings but after 3000 games I'm dabbling and just discovered the London. Glad I didn't learn openings to be fair as now it's like a new discovery, although I keep getting tied in knots with Kia and London it's enjoyable branching out.

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"By bored I mean that it's more or less always the same thing on the first moves"
++ By playing the same you accumulate experience about what works and what does not.

"to keep my motivation I need to try something different"
++ Every time you change openings, you will lose more and that may harm motivation.

"it will help me to progress" ++ No, you do not progress by changing openings, on the contrary.

"I mean something maybe more challenging for the blacks." ++ London is challenging.

"Maybe I am playing it wrong" ++ Probably, but the way to find out is to keep playing it

"I feel like the london system does not put lots of pressure" ++ It puts pressure, more than Vienna or Danish. That is why grandmasters play London, and not Vienna or Danish.

"against king's indians players I tend to capture the black bishop" ++ Makes sense

"Could you develop on why danish is bad and vienna is better to you ?"
++ The Danish loses a central pawn for no real compensation. The Vienna does not lose a pawn.

There are tons of hidden lines and tactics in the London you're probably unaware of.
Nc4 sacrifices, for example. An early h-pawn push is another example of a move a beginning player usually will not  (dare to)  go for.

Check out some of Baadur Jobava's games.
Also Magnus has had good games with the Barry Attack.
The London is one of the most active and attacking openings.

Kudos to you for giving some gambit lines a try! I love playing gambits. For my personality, the element of risk that goes with gambit-play definitely keeps chess fun and exciting. I either have very fun wins, or spectacular losses. But the games are always enjoyable, and generally filled with nice tactical possibilities.

I’ve tried the Danish Gambit a few times. It’s fun, but I haven’t had great success with it. In the Danish, you’re giving up two pawns. Very risky. After sacrificing your pawns, I think the idea is to quickly tuck your king away, and then crash through against Black’s king before he can get to safety. If you let Black get developed, you’re probably lost. If you like sacrificing pawns and pieces, and sharp tactics, and don’t want to play any long end games, give the Danish a shot. 🙂

I’m not familiar with the Vienna, so can’t weigh in on that one. 

Thank you for all your answers. I think I will continue exploring the london system for the moment, and start playing some gambits for fun. Thanks zone_chess for the suggestions on the london system

Danish Gambit...

https://bishopsbounty.blogspot.com/2009/01/danish-gambit-c-21-opening-theory.html

https://www.ianchessgambits.com/danish-gambit.html

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hanging+pawns+danish+gambit

Introduction To The Vienna Game & Gambit...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/introduction-to-the-vienna-game-gambit

Introduction To The London System & Jobava London System...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/the-london-system