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How am I supposed to "control the center" when trying to control the center is losing?
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Lurking_Garbage wrote:
GeorgeWyhv14 wrote:
Do not control the center. Go for the big 4 moves.
Not helpful, unlike the rest of the great advice here. What are these "big 4 moves?"
As black you have options to develop pawns to 1..d5 1..e5 1..d6 1..e6. Maybe as white you don't need to employ those moves because you can easily control center with white pieces/pawns.
Well, controlling the center is a general guideline, not a requirement. You can be completely winning while supposedly your opponent has complete control of the center.
Lurking_Garbage wrote:
I've complained about my atrocious skill in multiple circles of mine and the most common tip they've given me is "control the center." As in "get pieces on those four squares at the center of the board."
Okay... but my opponent is also trying to do it, too. And when I try to take territory in the center, I'm losing. My pieces are either hanging or sparsely defended. I'm never in a good defensive position while trying to "control the center." What am I supposed to do?
For me it is like soccer, ofc you want to control the center at football/soccer >50% of possession/control. But it is not a requirement to play good possession/control , there are other tactics like defensive setup and etc. The idea is to play the best that you can play. Even hanging pieces can be useful if you can maintain tempo. You might need to win in defensive territory instead of the center.
Lurking_Garbage wrote:
I've complained about my atrocious skill in multiple circles of mine and the most common tip they've given me is "control the center." As in "get pieces on those four squares at the center of the board."
Okay... but my opponent is also trying to do it, too. And when I try to take territory in the center, I'm losing. My pieces are either hanging or sparsely defended. I'm never in a good defensive position while trying to "control the center." What am I supposed to do?
Sometimes it helps me to not only try to directly control the center four squares, but the squares surrounding it, covering more area to make it hard for the opponent to open up attacks on me.
You put pieces in the middle but you also need to defend your pieces
This is a very theoretical position but it should show an extreme example of space advantages
Jan 16, 2022
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#28
occupation helps only when the pieces occupying the center are also controlling it
basically, occupation is a part of control
I only looked at your most recent loss, but as a beginner myself I would recommend developing some of your pieces earlier, and doing the puzzles here on the site that’s what has been helping me
Controlling the center doesn't mean occupying it with your pieces, it means having influence over those squares. It's also important to not get so focused on controlling the center that you lag behind in things like development. I looked at a few of your games and it seems like you just move pieces kind of randomly/arbitrarily after move 4.
All I can say is that the more we teach a "good position" as a general rule of thumb, the more rules we will produce on how to exploit it. Good will then not be good.
I've been taught that using the center of the board is the best. The center tends also to be the most open and available area on the board, making it the easiest to attack. All of the sudden, no longer is the center a good idea.
Jan 17, 2022
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#32
The first thing you should do is stop being so critical of yourself. The second thing would probably be to work through the lessons on this website.
I’ve just started playing chess after taking 20 years break and I feel like I was so rushed before in my play. I’ve really tried to focused on central control and that’s helped but I hear you on this
When I was first starting out I used to try to dominate the center with my pawns, but after a while we learn to control the center of the board from afar with major pieces.
Jan 17, 2022
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#35
each approach (classical & hypermodern) to the problem of the center are valid & a universal player embraces them both as such. 🙂
Jan 18, 2022
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#36
You don't put pieces in the center to control it, you do that if you control it. Otherwise you just drop material. Sometimes, of course, putting a piece in the center may also help controlling it. That is the reason why pushing the central Pawns is so strong. They not only attack central squares there, they also create space to be used by pieces in order to control the center.
joreilly006 wrote:
I only looked at your most recent loss, but as a beginner myself I would recommend developing some of your pieces earlier, and doing the puzzles here on the site that’s what has been helping me
Eh... puzzles are nice to figure out but I don't see how I can use them for my advantage.
jawineholt wrote:
Controlling the center doesn't mean occupying it with your pieces, it means having influence over those squares. It's also important to not get so focused on controlling the center that you lag behind in things like development. I looked at a few of your games and it seems like you just move pieces kind of randomly/arbitrarily after move 4.
It's honestly because I don't even know what to do next. I'm told to develop pieces as much as I can, but then after that I can't think that far ahead.
dlcurtis wrote:
The first thing you should do is stop being so critical of yourself. The second thing would probably be to work through the lessons on this website.
I am trying to use lessons but, as a free account, I'm restricted to one a week.
Sred wrote:
You don't put pieces in the center to control it, you do that if you control it. Otherwise you just drop material. Sometimes, of course, putting a piece in the center may also help controlling it. That is the reason why pushing the central Pawns is so strong. They not only attack central squares there, they also create space to be used by pieces in order to control the center.
I'm... lost on this one.
better to focus on putting your pawns in the center--especially early in the game.
position your pieces so they 'attack' (control) the center: only consider putting them actually 'in' (occupying) the center when it's safe to do so.
chess is a complicated game... relax & learn! 🙂
Chess is anything but relaxing, but thank you.