How soon to bring the queen out?

mojo-jojo-2

Im just asking this question because I have read that you should wait as long as possible and other places say get her out early. What do some of the people with more experience think.

Wildekaart

Don't do it when it will hinder your development in comparison to your opponent's.

Do it when you're sure you can create solid threats by bringing your queen out early.

jonnin

No one should be saying to pull it out early as a general 'good idea' (only in specific games where it makes good sense).  There are only a *very* few 'legit' openings where you pull it out right off,  and I am not talking the scholar's mate or fools mate or bongcloud crap here, but things you see 2000+ rated players doing at each other in long time control games.  Classical scandanavian comes to mind, but unless white messes up its kind of sub-optimal for black.  

move both bishops and both knights one time each before you touch your queen unless you KNOW that your opening demands moving it sooner OR you have a tactical advantage that you can play.   That is about the best I can give you... plenty of rookie mistakes will make pulling her out early attractive, or if your opponent pulls it out too soon you can counter with yours and try for a trade or whatnot.  

Every single tutorial on opening theory will tell you to wait 'in general'.  

AntiMustard

The rule of thumb is do not bring out your queen before you develop your minor pieces. The reason for that is that your opponent can develop their pieces by attacking your queen. So your opponent will be busy doing development while you just move one piece (your queen) around the board.

But, of course, as like with any rule, there are exceptions. First follow the rule, then, with experience, you'll learn when to break it.

llama47

Even when you do move her, the first time it's usually only 1 or 2 squares away from her starting square anyway. Because it's the most valuable piece, every other piece can chase her away. You mainly moves pawns and minor pieces at first because they can control squares without being chased away / losing time.

RJMan1991
From just the tiny few games I’ve played so far, when you play the Queen too soon your opponent is very tempted to chase her around the board until she’s captured. If there are too many pieces on the other side trying to snatch her away, it can be chaos.
Git_er_done

unless you get lucky with a simple queen -bishop or queen -knight mate quickly.....it takes multiple pieces to creat a strong attack, and not get queen pushed around by threats while wasting moves....that opponent is using to develop pieces. nothing wrong with using queen early if you keep that from happening.....but beginners can't.....so they are told to bring it out last. for every " rule" , there's an exception.

Boogalicious

Before the game starts, if possible. That way you will start the game with a huge advantage.

Strangemover
jonnin wrote:

No one should be saying to pull it out early as a general 'good idea' (only in specific games where it makes good sense).  There are only a *very* few 'legit' openings where you pull it out right off,  and I am not talking the scholar's mate or fools mate or bongcloud crap here, but things you see 2000+ rated players doing at each other in long time control games.  Classical scandanavian comes to mind, but unless white messes up its kind of sub-optimal for black.  

move both bishops and both knights one time each before you touch your queen unless you KNOW that your opening demands moving it sooner OR you have a tactical advantage that you can play.   That is about the best I can give you... plenty of rookie mistakes will make pulling her out early attractive, or if your opponent pulls it out too soon you can counter with yours and try for a trade or whatnot.  

Every single tutorial on opening theory will tell you to wait 'in general'.  

Need to be aware of the old 'pulling out trick'. 

Hello_Rocinante

if it looks like a good plan... do it

autobunny
Hello_Rocinante wrote:

if it looks like a good plan... do it

And then you'll learn why it isn't

Bellaamymai
autobunny wrote:
Hello_Rocinante wrote:

if it looks like a good plan... do it

And then you'll learn why it isn't

Yep. I would say that after 15 move, unless playing some kind of cool opening, you are probably allowed to take it out then.

 

Boogalicious

On any prime number, so on move 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, etc. This is known among the professionals as "prime queening".

 

 

ruthef1
I would say to bring the queen out when you can get a powerful piece captured from the other side and the queen won’t get captured. Be careful with your queen.
adrian_mclain
jonnin wrote:

No one should be saying to pull it out early as a general 'good idea' (only in specific games where it makes good sense).  There are only a *very* few 'legit' openings where you pull it out right off,  and I am not talking the scholar's mate or fools mate or bongcloud crap here, but things you see 2000+ rated players doing at each other in long time control games.  Classical scandanavian comes to mind, but unless white messes up its kind of sub-optimal for black.  

move both bishops and both knights one time each before you touch your queen unless you KNOW that your opening demands moving it sooner OR you have a tactical advantage that you can play.   That is about the best I can give you... plenty of rookie mistakes will make pulling her out early attractive, or if your opponent pulls it out too soon you can counter with yours and try for a trade or whatnot.  

Every single tutorial on opening theory will tell you to wait 'in general'.  

bongcloud brings the king out, not the queen