How to play againest the fried liver as black?

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PartofShiv

You can either trap white or win more material if your opponent plays otherwise. Here is an example.

You can watch Chessvibes yt video. I also learnt it from there.

TwixFlix
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Traxler Gambit is the best option against the fried liver. Play bc5 immediately after ng5.

If white knows what he's doing and doesn't take bishop, it's +2 for white

123tigerX

If u play something else instead of e5 like French caro Scandinavian or sicilan then u can avoid it

123tigerX

But I think the trailer is a good response if u do play e5

123tigerX

Traxler*

EndgameEnthusiast2357
TwixFlix wrote:
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Traxler Gambit is the best option against the fried liver. Play bc5 immediately after ng5.

If white knows what he's doing and doesn't take bishop, it's +2 for white

That's what stockfish thought at first, then when I plugged in my moves against it changed to negative 4.

AngryPuffer
Callenchess27 wrote:

What about the traxler counterattack with Bc5

 

There can be many traps if white takes f7 with knight and you sacrifice the bishop on f2.

Bxf7 seemingly gives white an easy advantage. Black hoping that white does another move instead of the correct refutation should not be what you rely on.

Laskersnephew

"++ 3...Bc5 violates the principle to develop knights first and only then bishops."

Principles are just general guidelines. They are not rules.

AngryPuffer
Laskersnephew wrote:

"++ 3...Bc5 violates the principle to develop knights first and only then bishops."

Principles are just general guidelines. They are not rules.

Its typically better to develop knights before bishops because often they can be kicked around without the knights developed, and f7/b7 can become quite weak. A good example of this would be the winaver variation of the french, where white often targets f7 because it is weak.

Commando_Droid
magipi wrote:
play4fun64 wrote:

Evan's Gambit is not popular, the Fried Liver is.

"Evan's Gambit" does not exist. The Evans Gambit is named after Captain William Davies Evans.

The Fried liver hasn't appeared in master play in the last 150 years. What you're talking about is not the Fried Liver, but the Two Knights variation.

I disagree. Master games-Fried Liver

GM's such as Caruana, Nakamaura, Grischuk, Aronion, Wesley So, Nepo, have all played it recently.

AngryPuffer
kingandqueen2017 wrote:
magipi wrote:
play4fun64 wrote:

Evan's Gambit is not popular, the Fried Liver is.

"Evan's Gambit" does not exist. The Evans Gambit is named after Captain William Davies Evans.

The Fried liver hasn't appeared in master play in the last 150 years. What you're talking about is not the Fried Liver, but the Two Knights variation.

I disagree. Master games-Fried Liver

GM's such as Caruana, Nakamaura, Grischuk, Aronion, Wesley So, Nepo, have all played it recently.

We are talking about the fried liver proper (5.Nxd5 6.Nxf7) Rather then the Polerio, 5.b5, or 5.Nd4.

GM_LI_MMXII
Shiv-angi wrote:

You can either trap white or win more material if your opponent plays otherwise. Here is an example.

You can watch Chessvibes yt video. I also learnt it from there.

I put this on the same forum!

AMZboiepic3356

Does anyone recommend fried liver for beginners?