Keep getting f**ked by early queen moves

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erikhelander

Hey so I'm a relatively new chess player. Lately I've been studying a lot of chess theory regarding openings, middle- and end game. I play pretty evenly against players ranked in the 1000-1300 range, but whenever I meet opponents in the 700-range, I keep getting thrown off by them bringing out the queen early. It's so out of leftfield, and I don't know how to handle it. No one prepared me for this, it's so dumb. I'm ashamed. Please help. Here's a game for reference. 
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/4997777211?tab=analysis

notmtwain
erikhelander wrote:

Hey so I'm a relatively new chess player. Lately I've been studying a lot of chess theory regarding openings, middle- and end game. I play pretty evenly against players ranked in the 1000-1300 range, but whenever I meet opponents in the 700-range, I keep getting beaten by them bringing out the queen early. It's so out of leftfield, and I don't know how to handle it. No one prepared me for this, it's so frustrating. I'm ashamed. Please help. Here's a game for reference. 
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/4997777211?tab=analysis


You did pretty well until you missed the threat to c2.

Painful experience is s good teacher.

The computer shows you moves that would have worked.

PigGoatChicken

When someone takes their queen out like this take solace in the fact that you know it is bad for them.. You just have to figure out how to take advantage.  The computer gives you a big advantage of +3ish.  When someone does this, know there is an advantage to be had, relax, and use the extra time.

 

Also simple tactics problems are extremely important.  The threat on c2 will be more and more obvious as you do these.  Atleast that is what I have heard and read.

erikhelander
gttxc wrote:

When someone takes their queen out like this take solace in the fact that you know it is bad for them.. You just have to figure out how to take advantage.  The computer gives you a big advantage of +3ish.  When someone does this, know there is an advantage to be had, relax, and use the extra time.

 

Also simple tactics problems are extremely important.  The threat on c2 will be more and more obvious as you do these.  Atleast that is what I have heard and read.

Thanks, that is absolutely true and good advice. I notice myself getting tilted the moment they bring the queen out because a bunch of things happen in my head; I know they are making a mistake, I know I can defend myself, but I suspect that I will mess up and lose material/get mated. 

678proof

The queen by itself can't do much. Just be aware of common areas that are targeted - such as f2/f7 and c2/c7.

 

There are other patterns the queen follows. A common one is Bishop Queen battery. I advise you to learn and recognise those.

pfren

 

erikhelander
pfren wrote:
 

 

Thanks for the in-depth explaination, I really appreciate it. I think I would have found these moves had I remained calm and used my time.

KeSetoKaiba

I find early Queen sorties annoyingly effective at lower level chess - despite going against opening principles. Why? Frustratingly, exploiting early Queen moves is often times positional in nature (like trapping the Queen or gaining tempi on it to assist in your development) and hard for beginners to find because there is seldom one single "best" way to counter (unlike tactics which are more obvious when found). 

How do you take advantage of your beginner opponent ignoring the opening principle of developing your pieces early (not just the Queen, which is only one piece)? The answer is by developing multiple pieces yourself (pawns are not considered "pieces" in chess). If your opponent is wasting time with many Queen moves then you can usually get an advantage by just developing and following opening principles - obviously you need to avoid common mating threats and tactics along the way though. Bonus points to you if you can develop your pieces while also gaining tempi on the Queen and forcing it to weaker squares.

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How come a moderator didn't change the title of this thread?

KeSetoKaiba
toomtoom wrote:

How come a moderator didn't change the title of this thread?

because the "**" serve as censoring and the title is fine; the op is merely stating a legitimate frustration to the situation.

Dreizzle
erikhelander wrote:

Hey so I'm a relatively new chess player. Lately I've been studying a lot of chess theory regarding openings, middle- and end game. I play pretty evenly against players ranked in the 1000-1300 range, but whenever I meet opponents in the 700-range, I keep getting thrown off by them bringing out the queen early. It's so out of leftfield, and I don't know how to handle it. No one prepared me for this, it's so dumb. I'm ashamed. Please help. Here's a game for reference. 
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/4997777211?tab=analysis

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Dreizzle
erikhelander wrote:

Hey so I'm a relatively new chess player. Lately I've been studying a lot of chess theory regarding openings, middle- and end game. I play pretty evenly against players ranked in the 1000-1300 range, but whenever I meet opponents in the 700 range, I keep getting thrown off by them bringing out the queen early. It's so out of leftfield, and I don't know how to handle it. No one prepared me for this, it's so dumb. I'm ashamed. Please help. Here's a game for reference. 
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/4997777211?tab=analysis

Stay focused; Look what piece/pawn the Queen is hitting at. Even if you're doing really good, think about your moves always,you might hang somthing when you movw another, or you might get checkmated because this piece was actually blocking. When I was 800, I get very confident when they move their Queen early to the fact that I forget the my opponent is threatening mate in 1. This can be a general advice to you: If your opponent does a move that is against the law, don't let that distract you and use it to your advantage as much as possible. 

MyPersonalBest

This is just part of getting better at the game. The reason it works is because lower level players are not used to chess mechanics and therefore cannot keep track, due to their brain's limitation to process information that is complex, to threats/good moves/appropriate moves. 

You need a mix of experience, tactics knowledge, general opening knowledge, what you can do without thinking too much and yeah, just learn from your mistakes happy.png 

You can do it man, keep going strong.

Damonevic-Smithlov

U keep getting forked by early queen moves?

Srimurugan108

Powerful. Queen attack 

daxypoo
yes

i was often victim against players in the sub 1000 who developed queen by move 3 and whisked it around all over the board

as others have said- be aware of b and g pawns especially if you “counter” early queen with your own bishop development

be aware of looming mating squares if opponent slyly gets a bishop or knight into position
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i remember feeling pressured in these games; and a lot of it was from other players saying “developing queen early is terrible and easily defeated”

the way i look at these things now is that there is not one move that refutes early queen moves; but, generally, getting knights out early (usually alone either directly hits the opponent queen or threatens tempos that will)

getting a couple of extra tempos as white in opening moves can be devastating for black

and if white gets castled and a rook xraying blacks uncastled king then things are very serious

i also recall some lines as white where early queen development is, though maybe not greatest move, is not really that bad for white

in general, sub 1000-1100 games involve a lot of early queens roaming the board

just deal with each situation separately and dont rush or tilt; you will come up with a solution otb
Strangemover

Look for moves which both defend what needs defending and develop pieces. 

Look for moves which attack the wayward queen (eg.Nd5 in IM Pfren's analysis).

Don't be afraid to lose a pawn or 2 if this further increases your lead in development. b2 and g2 pawns for example are usually well worth giving up if you can safely play Rb1 or Rg1, hitting the queen again and putting a rook on a semi-open file (IM Pfren points out that Qxb2 was a poor choice by black in his analysis). 

Always remember that such queen shenanigans are ill advised. Armed with this knowledge search hard for the best way to exploit your opponents play. There will be an advantage for you somewhere, you 'just' have to find it. 

koning-B
Hi im new too; and I hear a lot of people talking about it being bad to bring your queen out but nobody seems to give a reason; so i googled it and apparently bringing in the queen early puts the player in a big disadvantage because of the queens’ value most moves would have to force the player to move their queen back and waste moves (because any piece is worth sacrificing for a queen). Knowing this I hope you can turn it into am advantage if your opponent takes the queen out early
Nicator65
erikhelander wrote:

Hey so I'm a relatively new chess player. Lately I've been studying a lot of chess theory regarding openings, middle- and end game. I play pretty evenly against players ranked in the 1000-1300 range, but whenever I meet opponents in the 700-range, I keep getting thrown off by them bringing out the queen early. It's so out of leftfield, and I don't know how to handle it. No one prepared me for this, it's so dumb. I'm ashamed. Please help. Here's a game for reference. 
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/4997777211?tab=analysis

Well, a queen may be problematic if she finds unprotected targets or weak squares where she can hinder the enemy development. A queen alone can't do much because the 2nd (7th) rank is already protected at the beginning. This changes as you advance your pawns to unprotected squares or leave unprotected pawns in b2 (b7) and g2 (g7) after developing the bishops, or when the queen is coordinated with another piece, typically a bishop or a knight.

You may ask why don't we see that many early queen raids in masters' games. If the queen can't paralyze the enemy army, the tempos consumed (and allowed) by her will lead to 2 or 3 enemy minor pieces on the field, where typically 2 minor pieces can handle the queen, and 3 will likely outplay her.

What makes an early queen raid successful in beginners games is not its soundness, but the lack of logic when dealing with it. Beginners are often advised to think in the abstract when playing the opening (development, center control, king's security, etc.) when an early queen and minor piece coordination is about activity, meaning concrete threats and logical limitations to the movements, just as in a middlegame or endgame.

In a middlegame or endgame, you have no problems thinking of moving a single pawn or piece several times, or not moving the other pieces at your disposal, if you see that you are solving the problems in the positions and, or create stronger problems for your opponent.

Take the following example. The Scandinavian Defense is playable, but that doesn't mean it is not risky. An idea in the line with ...Qd5-a5 is to pressure on e1-a5 to hinder White from developing his pieces actively. But what if White challenges the opponent's activity at the expense of several moves with a single knight? On the surface, it contradicts the opening rules, but as you see in the game White recovers the developing tempos by attacking the enemy queen, which consumes 4 tempos to return to her initial square. By move 12 White is ready to open up the center with d4-d5, to take advantage of his lead in the development, and the rival fails to notice it and plays 11...Bh5?