openings for new players

Zanoodle
What would you all say is a strongest openings for 800 and below for white ... e4 and e5

Trying to teach a friend and I’m trying to think what are the best ones.
Zanoodle
I taught him the Italian and London as I think the two of them are user friendly ... anything else I should hit ?
Shubhamoy4

Kings Indian Defence, Sicilian, Vienna game, Ruy Lopez

Wasp_dalek

I'd avoid the Italian opening as a new player. The light square bishop is easily locked out of the game and if you're going for tricks, the Traxler counterattack is severely punishing. Not to mention that most of the bot AIs that players tend to practice on will go for the Polerio defense if you try the fried liver so that increases the number of players who will use that defense in live matches.

 

(And let's face it, the best part of the Italian is the knight attack variant!)

veryrabbit
Shubhamoy4 wrote:

Kings Indian Defence, Sicilian, Vienna game, Ruy Lopez

ruy lopez for 800 and below.. and sicilian?! 

just follow opening principles, control the center or challenge for it, put your pieces in their optimal squares, dont play same piece twice for no reason, play your knights before your bishops, capture towards to the center when you have a choice or no other reason, castle before the move ten.. etcetera..

barondali
Shubhamoy4 wrote:

Kings Indian Defence, Sicilian, Vienna game, Ruy Lopez

KID, Sicilian, and Vienna are all intermediate/advanced openings, I wouldn't recommend teaching them these. In fact, for an 800, I wouldn't recommend teaching them any openings at all. Opening theory and systems won't really help you until at least 1000. @veryrabbit is right, you should instead teach them the opening principles, and wait until they've got that down happy.png

Zanoodle
@BlunderousWilliam and @veryrabbit , thanks for the tip. Maybe I was jumping the gun with teaching him openings. Thanks :)
raymonddelossantos

hi

r-RTF-v

My advice would be, start first with one opening you personal like to play.

I made the mistake to try different kinds of openings and then making lot of mistakes with the middle game.
Now i play one opening for with white and one for black, and looking for the opening my opponent makes, so i can adapt a bit.

fenrissaga

I would let him play the Göring Gambit because it leads to numerous tactical motifs that occurs in the italian (Greco,Anderssen ,Deutz ,Rosentreter,Scotch,Max Lange) and with this you learn to attack but it's less complicate you open the game on move two ,no closed positions, no Petroff game

 

Zanoodle
@fenrissaga ... do u think the extra pawn sacrifice will be a little too much ?
Zanoodle
Never mind ... I just remembered, they blunder ever 10 moves. A pawn won’t matter.
azamat198656
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fenrissaga

the extra pawn is a time against material exchange yes you will miss this pawn  against a stronger player but after that you will have two pieces out for none and even castling will be tricky for black

fenrissaga

some examples 

 

 

 

 

Robalero

Have that Italian morph into a Fried Liver if they go with a two knights defens;, so full of threats, traps, and tactics. It's a great learning tool.

ConfusedGhoul

The Scotch Game is fairly easy to learn, as Black he could play the French

r-RTF-v

when i read his question back, he is trying to learn a friend of him to go for the best opening.
Uh, don`t know, but if he have doubt about any opening, then i ask myself if he has a good opening for himself.
Or is that to difficult, then the standard norm would work all the time.
Pawns, knights, bishop and controlling the center.

DaBabysSideTing
Zanoodle wrote:
What would you all say is a strongest openings for 800 and below for white ... e4 and e5

Trying to teach a friend and I’m trying to think what are the best ones.

I think the Scotch game is probably one of the best openings for beginners to use, very principled, not a lot of tricks for black (Maybe Steinitz variation with 4. qh4), while the options are very open for white (Scotch Gambit, Goring Gambit, Main Line stuff, etc etc.)

KingMonkey400

For beginners I would say that the London is a good opening for white