What are some good openings for a beginner?

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Hey everyone, I've been told by a few people that memorizing openings is not a good idea for new players, and I should focus on opening principles instead. I've been doing that, but I'd like to try and learn a few solid, simple openings just to have a better plan from the start. Can anyone recommend some straightforward, principled openings for both White and Black? I'd love to know what others found useful when they were starting out..
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All you need to know are 3 openings each game.

An opening as White, could be anything.

Two openings as black, against e4 and d4.

If white plays something else (Which is rare) then just follow opening principles.

Here are my suggestions:

As white, learn either the Italian game or London system, i recommend the latter.

As black, against e4, play Caro-kann.

Against D4, play d5, follow opening principles if they do not initiate the queens gambit, if they do, I recommend QGD (queens gambit declined) or slav defense.

I didn't play some of these openings when I was starting out, but thought I would share what I learnt anyways, I play more complex openings like the ruy Lopez and King's Indian Defense now.

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Thank you :Pope-of-bishops" for your guidance.

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I would like you to show which type of player you are, Are you more Aggressive, more positional or more defensive?

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I am both aggressive and defensive. It depends on the position.

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I meant in the opening phase.

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SrijanBiswas123456789 wrote:
Hey everyone, I've been told by a few people that memorizing openings is not a good idea for new players, and I should focus on opening principles instead. I've been doing that, but I'd like to try and learn a few solid, simple openings just to have a better plan from the start. Can anyone recommend some straightforward, principled openings for both White and Black? I'd love to know what others found useful when they were starting out..

You're the same person that asked why you lost in 6 moves? Openings are NOT going to help you get better. But you're going to do it and do it poorly anyway. And what I mean by "poorly" is that all you're going to do is memorize moves and have ZERO understanding "why" they are played.

Whatever you do good luck and have fun. But dont expect to improve.

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LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
SrijanBiswas123456789 wrote:
Hey everyone, I've been told by a few people that memorizing openings is not a good idea for new players, and I should focus on opening principles instead. I've been doing that, but I'd like to try and learn a few solid, simple openings just to have a better plan from the start. Can anyone recommend some straightforward, principled openings for both White and Black? I'd love to know what others found useful when they were starting out..

You're the same person that asked why you lost in 6 moves? Openings are NOT going to help you get better. But you're going to do it and do it poorly anyway. And what I mean by "poorly" is that all you're going to do is memorize moves and have ZERO understanding "why" they are played.

Whatever you do good luck and have fun. But dont expect to improve.

That's a bit Harsh but your right.

Yeah he's bad, but Trust me I've seen youtube videos about openings and they teach me better than books, I'm recommending watching YouTube videos of his openings, He might learn better from them and understand why each move is played.

And if he's gonna lose in 6 moves he might as well practice and learn from his mistakes or watch Chess videos covering how to play good, both work.

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Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
SrijanBiswas123456789 wrote:
Hey everyone, I've been told by a few people that memorizing openings is not a good idea for new players, and I should focus on opening principles instead. I've been doing that, but I'd like to try and learn a few solid, simple openings just to have a better plan from the start. Can anyone recommend some straightforward, principled openings for both White and Black? I'd love to know what others found useful when they were starting out..

You're the same person that asked why you lost in 6 moves? Openings are NOT going to help you get better. But you're going to do it and do it poorly anyway. And what I mean by "poorly" is that all you're going to do is memorize moves and have ZERO understanding "why" they are played.

Whatever you do good luck and have fun. But dont expect to improve.

That's a bit Harsh but your right.

Yeah he's bad, but Trust me I've seen youtube videos about openings and they teach me better than books, I'm recommending watching YouTube videos of his openings, He might learn better from them and understand why each move is played.

And if he's gonna lose in 6 moves he might as well practice and learn from his mistakes or watch Chess videos covering how to play good, both work.

Its not harsh. Its being truthful and honest. If someone doesn't want to hear the truth then don't ask. This person is asking the same question is is asked constantly and its always the same things:

Plays nothing but speed chess.

Doesnt follow opening principles. But asks what openings they should play. And doesn't even study openings properly. They just memorize moves and have no idea why those moves are made. Asking strangers what openings you should play is like asking someone else what is my favorite color? What is my favorite song? What is my favorite food?

Plays way too fast. How are you supposed to improve if you dont give yourself time to think?

Misses simple tactics.

Watching videos will do NOTHING to help. Watching is passive learning and passive learning leads to absorbing 10% of what you watch.

If someone is truly serious about improving:

Play slow time controls.

Use active learning. Use a real board and pieces. Write down your thoughts, ideas, plans, etc.

Analyze your games. DO NOT use an engine or the sites auto analysis. Thats like being given the answers to a test. Youll get 100% but learn nothing.

Have a stronger player go over your games and analysis.

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LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
SrijanBiswas123456789 wrote:
Hey everyone, I've been told by a few people that memorizing openings is not a good idea for new players, and I should focus on opening principles instead. I've been doing that, but I'd like to try and learn a few solid, simple openings just to have a better plan from the start. Can anyone recommend some straightforward, principled openings for both White and Black? I'd love to know what others found useful when they were starting out..

You're the same person that asked why you lost in 6 moves? Openings are NOT going to help you get better. But you're going to do it and do it poorly anyway. And what I mean by "poorly" is that all you're going to do is memorize moves and have ZERO understanding "why" they are played.

Whatever you do good luck and have fun. But dont expect to improve.

That's a bit Harsh but your right.

Yeah he's bad, but Trust me I've seen youtube videos about openings and they teach me better than books, I'm recommending watching YouTube videos of his openings, He might learn better from them and understand why each move is played.

And if he's gonna lose in 6 moves he might as well practice and learn from his mistakes or watch Chess videos covering how to play good, both work.

Its not harsh. Its being truthful and honest. If someone doesn't want to hear the truth then don't ask. This person is asking the same question is is asked constantly and its always the same things:

Plays nothing but speed chess.

Doesnt follow opening principles. But asks what openings they should play.

Plays way too fast. How are you supposed to improve if you dont give yourself time to think?

Misses simple tactics.

Watching videos will do NOTHING to help. Watching is passive learning and passive learning leads to absorbing 10% of what you watch.

If someone is truly serious about improving:

Play slow time controls.

Use active learning. Use a real board and pieces. Write down your thoughts, ideas, plans, etc.

Analyze your games. DO NOT use an engine or the sites auto analysis. Thats like being given the answers to a test. Youll get 100% but learn nothing.

Have a stronger player go over your games and analysis.

Now I fully agree with you, this guy is a loser.

Also the "10% thing" i dunno, I watch a video and I get 99% of the things you just gotta sometimes watch it again to understand everything, a basic youtube video tought me the surface level of the KID, and i can only watch videos to learn, no one else will teach me (Except for my weekly coach, but that's weekly, and i wanna learn quicker.) so I do watch videos, and learn from Lichess studies.

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Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
SrijanBiswas123456789 wrote:
Hey everyone, I've been told by a few people that memorizing openings is not a good idea for new players, and I should focus on opening principles instead. I've been doing that, but I'd like to try and learn a few solid, simple openings just to have a better plan from the start. Can anyone recommend some straightforward, principled openings for both White and Black? I'd love to know what others found useful when they were starting out..

You're the same person that asked why you lost in 6 moves? Openings are NOT going to help you get better. But you're going to do it and do it poorly anyway. And what I mean by "poorly" is that all you're going to do is memorize moves and have ZERO understanding "why" they are played.

Whatever you do good luck and have fun. But dont expect to improve.

That's a bit Harsh but your right.

Yeah he's bad, but Trust me I've seen youtube videos about openings and they teach me better than books, I'm recommending watching YouTube videos of his openings, He might learn better from them and understand why each move is played.

And if he's gonna lose in 6 moves he might as well practice and learn from his mistakes or watch Chess videos covering how to play good, both work.

Its not harsh. Its being truthful and honest. If someone doesn't want to hear the truth then don't ask. This person is asking the same question is is asked constantly and its always the same things:

Plays nothing but speed chess.

Doesnt follow opening principles. But asks what openings they should play.

Plays way too fast. How are you supposed to improve if you dont give yourself time to think?

Misses simple tactics.

Watching videos will do NOTHING to help. Watching is passive learning and passive learning leads to absorbing 10% of what you watch.

If someone is truly serious about improving:

Play slow time controls.

Use active learning. Use a real board and pieces. Write down your thoughts, ideas, plans, etc.

Analyze your games. DO NOT use an engine or the sites auto analysis. Thats like being given the answers to a test. Youll get 100% but learn nothing.

Have a stronger player go over your games and analysis.

Now I fully agree with you, this guy is a loser.

Also the "10% thing" i dunno, I watch a video and I get 99% of the things you just gotta sometimes watch it again to understand everything, a basic youtube video tought me the surface level of the KID, and i can only watch videos to learn, no one else will teach me (Except for my weekly coach, but that's weekly, and i wanna learn quicker.) so I do watch videoes, and learn from Lichess studies.

The person is not a loser. They are like many online speed chess players. They dont know what they are asking for and refuse to change. They want to improve by doing the same things mistakes included over and over.

You are welcome to disagree with me about watching videos. And I can guarantee you that you are not getting 99% of what you watch after one time. But you are correct to a certain extent. If you watch a video over and over, take notes, use a real board and pieces and ask "why?" Then yes youll improve. But most just go to youtube watch a video one time and think they have mastered chess.

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LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
SrijanBiswas123456789 wrote:
Hey everyone, I've been told by a few people that memorizing openings is not a good idea for new players, and I should focus on opening principles instead. I've been doing that, but I'd like to try and learn a few solid, simple openings just to have a better plan from the start. Can anyone recommend some straightforward, principled openings for both White and Black? I'd love to know what others found useful when they were starting out..

You're the same person that asked why you lost in 6 moves? Openings are NOT going to help you get better. But you're going to do it and do it poorly anyway. And what I mean by "poorly" is that all you're going to do is memorize moves and have ZERO understanding "why" they are played.

Whatever you do good luck and have fun. But dont expect to improve.

That's a bit Harsh but your right.

Yeah he's bad, but Trust me I've seen youtube videos about openings and they teach me better than books, I'm recommending watching YouTube videos of his openings, He might learn better from them and understand why each move is played.

And if he's gonna lose in 6 moves he might as well practice and learn from his mistakes or watch Chess videos covering how to play good, both work.

Its not harsh. Its being truthful and honest. If someone doesn't want to hear the truth then don't ask. This person is asking the same question is is asked constantly and its always the same things:

Plays nothing but speed chess.

Doesnt follow opening principles. But asks what openings they should play.

Plays way too fast. How are you supposed to improve if you dont give yourself time to think?

Misses simple tactics.

Watching videos will do NOTHING to help. Watching is passive learning and passive learning leads to absorbing 10% of what you watch.

If someone is truly serious about improving:

Play slow time controls.

Use active learning. Use a real board and pieces. Write down your thoughts, ideas, plans, etc.

Analyze your games. DO NOT use an engine or the sites auto analysis. Thats like being given the answers to a test. Youll get 100% but learn nothing.

Have a stronger player go over your games and analysis.

Now I fully agree with you, this guy is a loser.

Also the "10% thing" i dunno, I watch a video and I get 99% of the things you just gotta sometimes watch it again to understand everything, a basic youtube video tought me the surface level of the KID, and i can only watch videos to learn, no one else will teach me (Except for my weekly coach, but that's weekly, and i wanna learn quicker.) so I do watch videoes, and learn from Lichess studies.

The person is not a loser. They are like many online speed chess players. They dont know what they are asking for and refuse to change. They want to improve by doing the same things mistakes included over and over.

You are welcome to disagree with me about watching videos. But you are correct to a certain extent. If you watch a video over and over, take notes, use a real board and pieces and ask "why?" Then yes youll improve. But most just go to youtube watch a video one time and think they have mastered chess.

They teach me the "why?' part easily, they don't just show moves they do show the reason behind them, I mainly watch Gotham chess, he explains the moves well.

There are a lot of losers in the lower elo, who refuse to change, their "loser" Status can be easily removed if they are more open to improve, True losers never listen, This guy still has a chance to improve, he really should improve, My definition of a loser here is someone who ignores basic and necessary advice.

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Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
SrijanBiswas123456789 wrote:
Hey everyone, I've been told by a few people that memorizing openings is not a good idea for new players, and I should focus on opening principles instead. I've been doing that, but I'd like to try and learn a few solid, simple openings just to have a better plan from the start. Can anyone recommend some straightforward, principled openings for both White and Black? I'd love to know what others found useful when they were starting out..

You're the same person that asked why you lost in 6 moves? Openings are NOT going to help you get better. But you're going to do it and do it poorly anyway. And what I mean by "poorly" is that all you're going to do is memorize moves and have ZERO understanding "why" they are played.

Whatever you do good luck and have fun. But dont expect to improve.

That's a bit Harsh but your right.

Yeah he's bad, but Trust me I've seen youtube videos about openings and they teach me better than books, I'm recommending watching YouTube videos of his openings, He might learn better from them and understand why each move is played.

And if he's gonna lose in 6 moves he might as well practice and learn from his mistakes or watch Chess videos covering how to play good, both work.

Its not harsh. Its being truthful and honest. If someone doesn't want to hear the truth then don't ask. This person is asking the same question is is asked constantly and its always the same things:

Plays nothing but speed chess.

Doesnt follow opening principles. But asks what openings they should play.

Plays way too fast. How are you supposed to improve if you dont give yourself time to think?

Misses simple tactics.

Watching videos will do NOTHING to help. Watching is passive learning and passive learning leads to absorbing 10% of what you watch.

If someone is truly serious about improving:

Play slow time controls.

Use active learning. Use a real board and pieces. Write down your thoughts, ideas, plans, etc.

Analyze your games. DO NOT use an engine or the sites auto analysis. Thats like being given the answers to a test. Youll get 100% but learn nothing.

Have a stronger player go over your games and analysis.

Now I fully agree with you, this guy is a loser.

Also the "10% thing" i dunno, I watch a video and I get 99% of the things you just gotta sometimes watch it again to understand everything, a basic youtube video tought me the surface level of the KID, and i can only watch videos to learn, no one else will teach me (Except for my weekly coach, but that's weekly, and i wanna learn quicker.) so I do watch videoes, and learn from Lichess studies.

The person is not a loser. They are like many online speed chess players. They dont know what they are asking for and refuse to change. They want to improve by doing the same things mistakes included over and over.

You are welcome to disagree with me about watching videos. But you are correct to a certain extent. If you watch a video over and over, take notes, use a real board and pieces and ask "why?" Then yes youll improve. But most just go to youtube watch a video one time and think they have mastered chess.

They teach me the "why?' part easily, they don't just show moves they do show the reason behind them, I mainly watch Gotham chess, he explains the moves well.

There are a lot of losers in the lower elo, who refuse to change, their "loser" Status can be easily removed if they are more open to improve, True losers never listen, This guy still has a chance to improve, he really should improve, My definition of a loser here is someone who ignores basic and necessary advice.

Your wording is rude and inconsiderate. Also this site does not use Elo. It uses Glicko2.

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LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Pope-of-bishops wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
SrijanBiswas123456789 wrote:
Hey everyone, I've been told by a few people that memorizing openings is not a good idea for new players, and I should focus on opening principles instead. I've been doing that, but I'd like to try and learn a few solid, simple openings just to have a better plan from the start. Can anyone recommend some straightforward, principled openings for both White and Black? I'd love to know what others found useful when they were starting out..

You're the same person that asked why you lost in 6 moves? Openings are NOT going to help you get better. But you're going to do it and do it poorly anyway. And what I mean by "poorly" is that all you're going to do is memorize moves and have ZERO understanding "why" they are played.

Whatever you do good luck and have fun. But dont expect to improve.

That's a bit Harsh but your right.

Yeah he's bad, but Trust me I've seen youtube videos about openings and they teach me better than books, I'm recommending watching YouTube videos of his openings, He might learn better from them and understand why each move is played.

And if he's gonna lose in 6 moves he might as well practice and learn from his mistakes or watch Chess videos covering how to play good, both work.

Its not harsh. Its being truthful and honest. If someone doesn't want to hear the truth then don't ask. This person is asking the same question is is asked constantly and its always the same things:

Plays nothing but speed chess.

Doesnt follow opening principles. But asks what openings they should play.

Plays way too fast. How are you supposed to improve if you dont give yourself time to think?

Misses simple tactics.

Watching videos will do NOTHING to help. Watching is passive learning and passive learning leads to absorbing 10% of what you watch.

If someone is truly serious about improving:

Play slow time controls.

Use active learning. Use a real board and pieces. Write down your thoughts, ideas, plans, etc.

Analyze your games. DO NOT use an engine or the sites auto analysis. Thats like being given the answers to a test. Youll get 100% but learn nothing.

Have a stronger player go over your games and analysis.

Now I fully agree with you, this guy is a loser.

Also the "10% thing" i dunno, I watch a video and I get 99% of the things you just gotta sometimes watch it again to understand everything, a basic youtube video tought me the surface level of the KID, and i can only watch videos to learn, no one else will teach me (Except for my weekly coach, but that's weekly, and i wanna learn quicker.) so I do watch videoes, and learn from Lichess studies.

The person is not a loser. They are like many online speed chess players. They dont know what they are asking for and refuse to change. They want to improve by doing the same things mistakes included over and over.

You are welcome to disagree with me about watching videos. But you are correct to a certain extent. If you watch a video over and over, take notes, use a real board and pieces and ask "why?" Then yes youll improve. But most just go to youtube watch a video one time and think they have mastered chess.

They teach me the "why?' part easily, they don't just show moves they do show the reason behind them, I mainly watch Gotham chess, he explains the moves well.

There are a lot of losers in the lower elo, who refuse to change, their "loser" Status can be easily removed if they are more open to improve, True losers never listen, This guy still has a chance to improve, he really should improve, My definition of a loser here is someone who ignores basic and necessary advice.

Your wording is rude and inconsiderate. Also this site does not use Elo. It uses Glicko2.

Didn't know that fact, thanks.

Also Your wording was also kind of kind of inconsiderate to an extent. i didn't say he was a true loser, i said he should improve, there are genuinely losers who keep playing but never reach a high elo.

Loser also means who loses, And this guy has lost a ton, so my wording was correct.

I think this argument is meaningless and that we should Stop.

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Is Italian opening better or london opening

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SrijanBiswas123456789 wrote:

Is Italian opening better or london opening

We need to talk.

Please improve, don't Quickly move pieces, watch out for Attacks, and learn. You can choose which opening to learn, but do you know the reason behind each move? After the 6 move game I'm concerned how you will even play chess.

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Pope-of-bishops wrote:
SrijanBiswas123456789 wrote:

Is Italian opening better or london opening

We need to talk.

Please improve, don't Quickly move pieces, watch out for Attacks, and learn. You can choose which opening to learn, but do you know the reason behind each move? After the 6 move game I'm concerned how you will even play chess.

And by the way he's still insisting scholars mate is great