What is a great 2 move "blind" opening for black?

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stevea68
warherd wrote:
stevea68 wrote:

I had some fun experimenting with what I called "blind openings", and that basically means - what first moves can be done that are generally safe (and hopefully strong) regardless of what the other play might open with.

1...a6 2...h6 is safe. 

Cute happy.png  Well, true you're probably safe for the next few moves wink.png, but of course it's a bit slow to develop and limits your options.  I ran that against the 'test suite' I was using and it rated at -0.86 black pawns (the lowest so far), so probably not recommended.

 

Actually, one of my favorite moves when I first started playing was to push the queen's rook pawn and try to get a rook out early ... I still like trying to do it, but yes, it's not quite as easy as I'd imagined.

 

Have fun

stevea68
tygxc wrote:

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"1...g6 2...Bg7"
++ No: 1 d4 g6 2 Bh6? Bg7?? runs blindly into a loss.

I prefer the 1 ... Nf6 2 ... g6 and then (hopefully) Bg7 in order to open up castling.  It's just a simple technique that could at least buy time for a newer player.

The main issue seems to be if white opens with e4 and then pushes it to e5 to threaten the knight.  So, in that case I prefer 1.e4 e5 and then 2 ... Nf6, but I admit that's not a perfectly "blind" opening.

Yes, that threat along the diagonal is always something to watch for *thumbs up* happy.png

martyfar
I prefer e5 then Nc6 for black
stevea68
martyfar wrote:
I prefer e5 then Nc6 for black

Wow, sweet job!!  At least from the little test suite I've been using as a benchmark, you just suggested the best rated one so far - it averaged black being up +0.41 pawns without any tweaks.

There was one opening where white pulled out the knight with Nf3 and the recommendation was to push the e5 pawn (in which case the average would have been close to +0.50 black pawns), but I stuck with your recommendation 'straight out of the box', and it still did great.

Congrats happy.png  It would be good to look at what weaknesses it might have, but it looks strong so fa.  Thanks.

tygxc

1...d6 and 2...c6 work just like 1...c6 and 2...d6, 1...d6 2...Nd7
1...e5 2...Nc6 fails to 1 b4 2 b5
1...Na6 or 1...Nc6 fail to 1 b4 2 b5
1...Nf6 or 1...Nh6 fail to 1 g4 2 g5
1...a6 fails to 1 e4 2 Bxa6 3 Be2
1...h6 fails to 1 d4 2 Bxh6 3 Bd2
1...a5 fails to 1 b4 2 bxa5
1...h5 fails to 1 g4 2 gxh5
1...b6 fails to 1 g3 2 Bg2
1...g6 fails to 1 b3 2 Bb2
1...e6 fails to 1 d4 2 Bg5
1...d6 without 2...c6 or 2...Nd7 fails to 1 e4 Bb5+. 1...d6, 2...Bd7 fails to 1 g3 2 Bg2 3 Bxb7
1...c6 2...d5 fails to 1 d4 2 d5