When to resign - Etiquette - An honest appeal

It's an opinion. It's not wrong to have one and to back it up. I have done that over and over in this thread. The fact that any disagree does not mean my opinion is wrong.

As said, I have very little regard towards that kind of behaviour. I consider it morally bankrupt and I've stated my reasons. Disagree of you must, as I will not change my mind.

PS: I've been coverting wins for a long time too. 

Etiquette is something anyone can do. But it's not required. Chess is a game of requirements. You are required to put the opponent in checkmate. If you don't, then there are all sorts of options. You can resign, you can play for a draw, you can stalemate, you can lose on time. Chess isn't golf, where etiquette is spelled out in the rules. An entire section is devoted just to etiquette. 

I haven't read the rules of chess, but I doubt there is even mention of etiquette, let alone a section describing what you should or shouldn't do. I don't understand why some people get so upset over winning. Just put the opponent in checkmate. That is, afterall, the whole purpose of the game. 

Here is the game you linked to resurrect this absurd thread. On move 62 you have mate in 2 moves...Re3 Kc1 Re1# but instead you make 5 moves and repeat the position for a draw. It took you longer to draw the game than it would have done for you to win it. So you wasted your own time for either of the following reasons:

1.You fully believe everything you are posting but your endgame technique is garbage. You can't convert easily winning endgames and this fully justifies your opponents choice not to resign.

2.This whole thread is a troll and you wanted the game to end in a draw so you could post it here and continue as things had gone quiet for a while. 

well if you have little regards towards such behaviour then you must know that the majority aren't going to tolerate salty behaviour as well. 

Here is the game you linked to resurrect this absurd thread. On move 62 you have mate in 2 moves...Re3 Kc1 Re1# but instead you make 5 moves and repeat the position for a draw. It took you longer to draw the game than it would have done for you to win it. So you wasted your own time for either of the following reasons:

1.You fully believe everything you are posting but your endgame technique is garbage. You can't convert easily winning endgames and this fully justifies your opponents choice not to resign.

2.This whole thread is a troll and you wanted the game to end in a draw so you could post it here and continue as things had gone quiet for a while. 

Pick a number Wornaki, 1 or 2

Quid pro quo. Don't give me annoying behaviour and I will not give you salty behaviour. It's that simple.

If you know how to convert wins and not stupidly end up drawing the position like in the game above , your going to find people less annoying.

I've stated my reasons. To me, stubbornly playing a lost position (with hope of a draw with correct play) signals you are the type of player who values not losing over everything else. That's a tenable position. It's also one I'll always criticize. To me, it's a sign of latent potential for bullying and unnecessary aggression, which I consider to be detrimental to a game playing community. 

You can make of my points whatever you want. If all you go by is the rules, then I can't say I would consider you a great sportsperson. 

Also etiquette you talk about has a lot to do with rating as well.

Do you think someone who has drunk from the "cool aid" of never resigning, playing for tricks and traps, attempting to flag at every game, will text a certain rating band and "suddenly" ditch those behaviours? Have you got any proof of this online? OTB, I've rarely seen that going on when it's adults playing and they are at least intermediate players.

Do you think someone who has drunk from the "cool aid" of never resigning, playing for tricks and traps, attempting to flag at every game, will text a certain rating band and "suddenly" ditch those behaviours? Have you got any proof of this online? OTB, I've rarely seen that going on when it's adults playing and they are at least intermediate players.

So after what move does, say, Scholar's Mate ( bishop and queen triangulating f2/f7 ) become legitimate play rather than a "trick" or a "trap"?  I just got it on about move 10, but presumably using it as an opening is "bad form" ?? ... Surely all openings contain strategic advantages and target the opponent in some way and there are always defensive moves available. Seeing several moves ahead is surely desirable as one progresses, but if the opponent doesn't see the plan then any such activity is effectively a trap/trick for them. My point about ratings is that even a beginner is quite likely to stumble upon positions which are well-known tricks/traps simply by analyzing the board. To avoid all such positions would mean knowing them in the first place. As for resignation - the original topic - it is to me quite obvious that if I reached a high rating and was playing a high-rated opponent it would be far more clear that a position was unwinnable than it is in the sub-1000 category, when each of us will make errors at every stage - most notably blundering stalemate not checkmate with promoted queens, which is surely a useful lesson and unlikely to be learned if resignation occurs once a player is down to a king and some stranded pawns, for example. At this level, encouraging folk to resign when they think they are losing will stifle their development as players. How this is drinking the KoolAid - i.e. blindly adhering to a nonsensical and perilous strategy  - is beyond me. As for the notion of bullying, it seems to me that saying that a lower-rated player, who may lack confidence and only know a few techniques must be wary of undefined arcane personal notions of etiquette as well as the actual rules, or risk being blocked is just that in itself.

If only rating was THE thing. It's not. Etiquette is something you can exercise under 1000, over 2000 and being world champion. But some players choose not to go by it. Is that wrong? It's legal, it's not unreasonable, it's somewhat useful for some. You could argue no. I argue in favour of considering blatant disregard for playing according to etiquette a sign of latent (sometimes evident) bullying behaviour. You may think I exaggerate. You may think it's ridiculous. Tenable positions, not unlike mine. I've seen that type of behaviour promoted in here. I've seen it promoted elsewhere. I'm vehemently against it.

A few times here I've stumbled upon non resigning people below 1200 in blitz. Granted, I play mostly 3+2 and increment accumulates if you know how to use it. Not to mention that it's blitz, so swindles and blundering are very much part of the nature of blitz. However...

As an appeal to all of you who never resign lost positions, not even down on time and on the board, please stop that. I know, I know, your opponent has to convert, it's within the rules, you want to see the checkmate pattern they go for to mate you, it's funny to see their blundering. But please, don't. Resign lost positions and play another game. If you can't resist forcing your opponent to convert 2 pieces up in the hopes of swindling (sometimes you will succeed in this) or you want to test if your opponent can mate you R+K vs K or B+K+k vs K, please... at least make it known in the chat, and do it infrequently, the more infrequently, the better.

I've recently blocked one player who forced me to mate him R+K vs K, and in the end I didn't (couldn't care). He got his well fought draw and I got to block him. Don't be that kind of beginner player. Unless you're playing a very important game (it doesn't even have to be rated to be important) and the consensus is that no quarter will be given, don't become the obnoxious non resigner.

Follow good etiquette. Acknowledge you're lost, resign and play your next game. If you ever play chess people OTB in either rapid or classical chess and you routinely don't resign obviously lost positions, your social standing in whatever serious chess scene will take a dive. It's all fun and whatnot in blitz over the internet. Heck, if there is no increment, flagging is part of the game... but please, don't get those attitudes in classical/rapid chess OTB. Learn to resign gracefully and become an upright chess citizen.