Also, we'll see if they accept my challenges. Probably many will not, but that's fine. I do this just for the sake of my own curiosity.
I love how you want to play stronger players to judge how obnoxious they are, rather than to improve.
He might be rated just 1100 in chess.....but he is certainly a grandmaster when it comes to etiquette ..... might be rated over 3000 in that field.
If they play for traps and tricks, they qualify as obnoxious, especially if the tricks and traps are meant for beginners. If they go for flagging, they qualify as obnoxious.
lol bruh why will they even have the need to flag when they can crush you ? and there's nothing wrong if they go for tricks and traps....coz those are meant for people like you.
Being disrespectful towards your opponent because of your superior knowledge of the game counts as obnoxious to me. If you're an intermediate player, I don't think you need to resort to tricks and traps to win over a measly player like me.
Also, we'll see if they accept my challenges. Probably many will not, but that's fine. I do this just for the sake of my own curiosity.
I love how you want to play stronger players to judge how obnoxious they are, rather than to improve.
He might be rated just 1100 in chess.....but he is certainly a grandmaster when it comes to etiquette ..... might be rated over 3000 in that field.
i m p r e s s i v e
If they play for traps and tricks, they qualify as obnoxious, especially if the tricks and traps are meant for beginners. If they go for flagging, they qualify as obnoxious.
lol bruh why will they even have the need to flag when they can crush you ? and there's nothing wrong if they go for tricks and traps....coz those are meant for people like you.
Being disrespectful towards your opponent because of your superior knowledge of the game counts as obnoxious to me. If you're an intermediate player, I don't think you need to resort to tricks and traps to win over a measly player like me.
I have a feeling if I post my opening files on this forum, you'll block me for my "obnoxious-ness"
If they play for traps and tricks, they qualify as obnoxious, especially if the tricks and traps are meant for beginners. If they go for flagging, they qualify as obnoxious.
lol bruh why will they even have the need to flag when they can crush you ? and there's nothing wrong if they go for tricks and traps....coz those are meant for people like you.
Being disrespectful towards your opponent because of your superior knowledge of the game counts as obnoxious to me. If you're an intermediate player, I don't think you need to resort to tricks and traps to win over a measly player like me.
Well part of that is true . But in a blitz game if your higher rated opponent goes for small tricks and traps it isnt necessary that he is disrespectful towards you. He just wants to win the game as quickly as possible. Plus there is no point in him playing exactly the same way how he would play someone from the same level. There's no point in him playing complex openings , with enormous amount of theory when he can get the job done with simple two or 3 move tactics.
If they play for traps and tricks, they qualify as obnoxious, especially if the tricks and traps are meant for beginners. If they go for flagging, they qualify as obnoxious.
Damn. I'm really obnoxious.
Well, it's nice to know. Some people can't accept it. Kudos for being able to do so.
At chess nationals (not saying which country, because it's easy to find my name), I had a terrible start (0.5/2) and swindled, played gimmicky openings, made decisions based on the clock times and occasionally played good chess to clinch first place.
The guilt is killing me. I hope I don't get banned from worlds for my obnoxious behaviour.
On the contrary, in places like this and obviously in your federation you'll be considered a resourceful player of great mental strength. Congratulations on winning that championship or section or whatever it was. I hope you win more, regardless of the legal way in which you do, if that makes you happy. I'm well aware that expecting etiquette is a hindrance, but I'm an old fashioned guy, so I'll stick to my preference for it. You, you go and win every game whichever legal way. I'll just write in a post how I feel about online blitz attitudes.
I am old-fashioned, too. So, I sympathise. But I also reluctantly accept that mores have changed for the worse. Peace of mind is old-fashioned too, and I cling to that.
If they play for traps and tricks, they qualify as obnoxious, especially if the tricks and traps are meant for beginners. If they go for flagging, they qualify as obnoxious.
lol bruh why will they even have the need to flag when they can crush you ? and there's nothing wrong if they go for tricks and traps....coz those are meant for people like you.
Being disrespectful towards your opponent because of your superior knowledge of the game counts as obnoxious to me. If you're an intermediate player, I don't think you need to resort to tricks and traps to win over a measly player like me.
I've only read a portion of this thread other than the first page and this one. That said - I've certainly seen enough to know that you have some issues. I made a thread about stalemate the other day and was of course half trolling. You, however, are dead serious in this thread and have made a complete mockery out of yourself.
1) Why are you worrying about them resigning? You're horrible at chess. You need to learn how to finish your opponents in winning positions. That's part of improving. How did you think this worked? You should be happy your opponents put up a good fight and don't just roll over.
2) Why are you playing 3+2? You're a terrible beginner. There's nothing gained by you playing 3+2 blitz and worrying about openings. You're doing exactly what all the terribads do. Exactly. This thread is well inline with all of that.
3) Shut up, slow down, and play some longer games. Load some 45+45's up on here and actually take your time during the game. Look at your position, your opponent's position, develop plans, look for tactical opportunities. That's how you'll learn. In the endgame, you'll actually have time to figure out a K+R vs K endgame and the next time it comes up, you'll immediately know how to box the king into the corner and mate him. Problem solved.
My issue isn't about my endgame technique. My issue is with what I consider obnoxious behaviour. Hence, my issue is with how other people decide to act with disregard for manners. I couldn't care less if I draw or lose or win the game. I also don't care if I learn something from the game or if I don't.
Your advice is well intentioned. I'm not saying anything about how proper it is, but I don't mind taking it. However, it must be said that my complaint and my original plea stands. I expect a certain behaviour from my opponent. Many a time I don't get it. Am I entitled to it? No. Can I avoid having to witness opponents being obnoxious by playing better? Sure. Does it matter to me right now? Not really. My complaint is universal.
If they play for traps and tricks, they qualify as obnoxious, especially if the tricks and traps are meant for beginners. If they go for flagging, they qualify as obnoxious.
Damn. I'm really obnoxious.
Well, it's nice to know. Some people can't accept it. Kudos for being able to do so.
At chess nationals (not saying which country, because it's easy to find my name), I had a terrible start (0.5/2) and swindled, played gimmicky openings, made decisions based on the clock times and occasionally played good chess to clinch first place.
The guilt is killing me. I hope I don't get banned from worlds for my obnoxious behaviour.
On the contrary, in places like this and obviously in your federation you'll be considered a resourceful player of great mental strength. Congratulations on winning that championship or section or whatever it was. I hope you win more, regardless of the legal way in which you do, if that makes you happy. I'm well aware that expecting etiquette is a hindrance, but I'm an old fashioned guy, so I'll stick to my preference for it. You, you go and win every game whichever legal way. I'll just write in a post how I feel about online blitz attitudes.
Thanks, lol. I was joking about the etiquette.
Two years ago, when I started playing chess, there was a lot worse etiquette than you are describing. This one kid marked the result on the spreadsheet as 1-0, even though he was white and lost to me. I had to call over the arbiter, and they had to check the scoresheets and everything. If I hadn't checked the spreadsheet and called the arbiters, I wouldn't have won the game.
Then there was adult who refused to shake my hand at the start, and, mid-game, pulled out his phone and started texted (illegal according to tournament rules)
I don't think playing for tricks is really "obnoxious", I mean, no one plays an opening solely because of one trick. These tricks sometimes aren't even like "win a piece on move 5" kind of tricks, but rather positional traps. Playing a tricky opening isn't obnoxious, example, I play 1.b3 sometimes, and I've beaten many strong titled players with it. I found many novelties and hidden traps, pawn sacrifices, and it's honestly really interesting and fun.
Here is a sample line (it's one line of ten in a long variation, but it's very beautiful)
Wornaki
I'm a pretty poor chess player. I've resigned an awful lot of blitz games on this site. However, I'd never resign against you if I was K v R&K, given reasonable time differential. Why should I, when you've proved that I stand a pretty good chance of a draw if I play on??? My view would definitely be that, if you can't be "bothered" to learn such a basic mating strategy (to me, as important as a grasp of basic opening strategy), then you certainly don't deserve to win.
I am old-fashioned, too. So, I sympathise. But I also reluctantly accept that mores have changed for the worse. Peace of mind is old-fashioned too, and I cling to that.
The only reason I would stop expecting my opponents to be less obnoxious would be my own pace of mind. That's why I have dramatically decreased my blitz play.
And once I can go back to OTB in a nice club, I'll most likely stop playing here altogether. Too much of an echo chamber, too much aggression, too much disrespect. Can't wait to go back to playing people who are well mannered AND good players, instead of just good players.
Wornaki
I'm a pretty poor chess player. I've resigned an awful lot of blitz games on this site. However, I'd never resign against you if I was K v R&K, given reasonable time differential. Why should I, when you've proved that I stand a pretty good chance of a draw if I play on??? My view would definitely be that, if you can't be "bothered" to learn such a basic mating strategy (to me, as important as a grasp of basic opening strategy), then you certainly don't deserve to win.
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Wornaki
I'm a pretty poor chess player. I've resigned an awful lot of blitz games on this site. However, I'd never resign against you if I was K v R&K, given reasonable time differential. Why should I, when you've proved that I stand a pretty good chance of a draw if I play on??? My view would definitely be that, if you can't be "bothered" to learn such a basic mating strategy (to me, as important as a grasp of basic opening strategy), then you certainly don't deserve to win.
It's a tenable position. Why should I consider you an honorable player when you are telling me you have no such dignity to accept that you have a lost position and would make me mate you? You see, it goes both ways. You wouldn't resign against me in that scenario. Fine, your choice. My choice would be to consider you obnoxious, regardless of whether I beat you or not.
Wornaki
I'm a pretty poor chess player. I've resigned an awful lot of blitz games on this site. However, I'd never resign against you if I was K v R&K, given reasonable time differential. Why should I, when you've proved that I stand a pretty good chance of a draw if I play on??? My view would definitely be that, if you can't be "bothered" to learn such a basic mating strategy (to me, as important as a grasp of basic opening strategy), then you certainly don't deserve to win.
It's a tenable position. Why should I consider you an honorable player when you are telling me you have no such dignity to accept that you have a lost position and would make me mate you? You see, it goes both ways. You wouldn't resign against me in that scenario. Fine, your choice. My choice would be to consider you obnoxious, regardless of whether I beat you or not.
How can he have a lost position when you arent going to be able to convert it ?
I am old-fashioned, too. So, I sympathise. But I also reluctantly accept that mores have changed for the worse. Peace of mind is old-fashioned too, and I cling to that.
The only reason I would stop expecting my opponents to be less obnoxious would be my own pace of mind. That's why I have dramatically decreased my blitz play.
And once I can go back to OTB in a nice club, I'll most likely stop playing here altogether. Too much of an echo chamber, too much aggression, too much disrespect. Can't wait to go back to playing people who are well mannered AND good players, instead of just good players.
Again: So because the behavior of the people around you here doesn't fit your liking, you're going to stop playing online and stunt your progress as a player altogether? How is this helping you win more games? You really need to work on your mental game. I have issues with it, too and it will absolutely blind your play.
No, my progress doesn't happen online and certainly not here. I've noticed very few intermediate and advanced players playing OTB in rapid or longer time controls routinely go.for tricks,traps or being checkmated in an obvious lost endgame. And even if they face beginners they don't do this.
The world online (especially in blitz without increment) is only a small part of the chess universe. By the opinion of many here, it's even detrimental for proper chess education. So, consistent with my original plea, I encourage people not to be obnoxious in blitz online and much less so, to go about doing the same OTB.
If they play for traps and tricks, they qualify as obnoxious, especially if the tricks and traps are meant for beginners. If they go for flagging, they qualify as obnoxious.
lol bruh why will they even have the need to flag when they can crush you ? and there's nothing wrong if they go for tricks and traps....coz those are meant for people like you.
Being disrespectful towards your opponent because of your superior knowledge of the game counts as obnoxious to me. If you're an intermediate player, I don't think you need to resort to tricks and traps to win over a measly player like me.
I've only read a portion of this thread other than the first page and this one. That said - I've certainly seen enough to know that you have some issues. I made a thread about stalemate the other day and was of course half trolling. You, however, are dead serious in this thread and have made a complete mockery out of yourself.
1) Why are you worrying about them resigning? You're horrible at chess. You need to learn how to finish your opponents in winning positions. That's part of improving. How did you think this worked? You should be happy your opponents put up a good fight and don't just roll over.
2) Why are you playing 3+2? You're a terrible beginner. There's nothing gained by you playing 3+2 blitz and worrying about openings. You're doing exactly what all the terribads do. Exactly. This thread is well inline with all of that.
3) Shut up, slow down, and play some longer games. Load some 45+45's up on here and actually take your time during the game. Look at your position, your opponent's position, develop plans, look for tactical opportunities. That's how you'll learn. In the endgame, you'll actually have time to figure out a K+R vs K endgame and the next time it comes up, you'll immediately know how to box the king into the corner and mate him. Problem solved.
My issue isn't about my endgame technique. My issue is with what I consider obnoxious behaviour. Hence, my issue is with how other people decide to act with disregard for manners. I couldn't care less if I draw or lose or win the game. I also don't care if I learn something from the game or if I don't.
Your advice is well intentioned. I'm not saying anything about how proper it is, but I don't mind taking it. However, it must be said that my complaint and my original plea stands. I expect a certain behaviour from my opponent. Many a time I don't get it. Am I entitled to it? No. Can I avoid having to witness opponents being obnoxious by playing better? Sure. Does it matter to me right now? Not really. My complaint is universal.
I said you have "some issues" and I think like you do in some regards. That's why I responded. You have to realize that the best way to deal with players who you feel to be inferior to you is to beat them. ESPECIALLY if their etiquette is in question to you, and not just their poor play. It's your job to mate them if they absolutely force you to. What good is cutting off your own nose to spite your face? Giving them the draw or win they were grasping for so desperately? Forget them...how does that help YOU feel better about the game and improve? It doesn't.
Stop worrying about your opponent and their behavior. Just focus on the board and find wins. You're allowing your ego to destroy your mental game and probably playing at a skill hundreds of points lower than what you're capable of. Reading a book about the opening isn't going to solve your problem. It's just psychological at this point.
If I cared about improving here I wouldn't be playing 3+2 or any blitz for that matter. My issue with what I consider bad sportsmanship trascends the game of chess and whatever ability (or lack thereof) I have to play it.
My point is simple: I presented and backed up a plea to try and stave off things that I consider dishonorable. The chances of my plea reaching the inner core of those people is next to nil, but I owe us to myself to be sincere about how I view the whole thing.
As to my chess ability, I can say one thing: my level of play is not beyond beginner, but I play much better when I truly care. And I don't care in this place. And the more I see the way chess is played here, the less I care.
Yes, I have principles. Who am I to dictate the world of chess? Nobody. Who are you to dictate that I shouldn't voice my opinion? Nobody.
You have written some harsh tone messages in this thread, this being one of them. Glad you have kept it civil, though.
As a last comment on my chess ability, I will be improving at a faster pace once I get to play more OTB, even in rapid or blitz time controls. OTB is so much better than anything online.
If they play for traps and tricks, they qualify as obnoxious, especially if the tricks and traps are meant for beginners. If they go for flagging, they qualify as obnoxious.
Damn. I'm really obnoxious.
Well, it's nice to know. Some people can't accept it. Kudos for being able to do so.
At chess nationals (not saying which country, because it's easy to find my name), I had a terrible start (0.5/2) and swindled, played gimmicky openings, made decisions based on the clock times and occasionally played good chess to clinch first place.
The guilt is killing me. I hope I don't get banned from worlds for my obnoxious behaviour.