When to resign - Etiquette - An honest appeal

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Malememm

I never resign. I really think this etiquette does not apply to beginners. I believe that if my opponent plays well and is able to checkmate me then he/she should have that pleasure and vice verca. If someone blundres through it then it is a good learning curve for both of us. So it's probably personal preference. Recently I played a game where I was going to have a definite win, I was so close but then I slacked off and caused a stalemate. Lesson learned, always give it a thought, even if you think you've got it. Then I played a game where I was one move away from being checkmated and was going to congratulate my opponent but somehow he did not see it and stuffed up. Maybe there are people your level who actually aren't aware that checkmating with R+K is possible, who knows. Anyway I'm not sure if my comment is relevant, considering the topic is about blitz but I thought I'll put my 2 bobs worth in anyway.

wornaki
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
wornaki wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

The point is not that you have resigned games when you were down what you thought was decisive material. Apparently your immense psychic powers enable you to determine when your opponent is playing on just to annoy you rather than because he thinks he can still draw, but to refuse to finish the game and then block your opponent seems to be an example of the kind of inconsiderate behavior for which you rage against your opponent and anyone like him.

 

Did I finish the game? Sure, we drew.  I didn't deprive my opponent of his well deserved draw, but that doesn't mean I have to condone that behavior. As I don't have to condone it (just as he didn't have to resign the game), I decided to just keep the opponent out of my chess life.

Once again, my intention with this thread was to appeal to beginners not to make themselves non resigners and then carry that to serious OTB chess...

You are being contradictory to the point that your statements don't make sense. You said "well-deserved draw" and then implied that you do not condone his behavior. If you want to discourage this behavior, you should have finished him off in order to dissuade him from not resigning again. Because he got away with a draw, he will think that not resigning in such a position is a good idea. 

Contradictory because I sarcastically say "well deserved draw"? Uhm... OK. I could've mated the guy, but I wasn't up for thinking. Maybe next time...

mpaetz

If he managed to draw that ending it seems you would WANT to play out such games in order to improve your technique. I believe that what most of the players commenting on your post object to is your contention that playing on when you still have hopes of pulling out a draw or even a win in an admittedly inferior position is bad chess manners when in fact not your inability to win the game followed by blocking him and complaining online is the kind of behavior that deserves censure.

Calamity_Destroyer
wornaki wrote:
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
wornaki wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

The point is not that you have resigned games when you were down what you thought was decisive material. Apparently your immense psychic powers enable you to determine when your opponent is playing on just to annoy you rather than because he thinks he can still draw, but to refuse to finish the game and then block your opponent seems to be an example of the kind of inconsiderate behavior for which you rage against your opponent and anyone like him.

 

Did I finish the game? Sure, we drew.  I didn't deprive my opponent of his well deserved draw, but that doesn't mean I have to condone that behavior. As I don't have to condone it (just as he didn't have to resign the game), I decided to just keep the opponent out of my chess life.

Once again, my intention with this thread was to appeal to beginners not to make themselves non resigners and then carry that to serious OTB chess...

You are being contradictory to the point that your statements don't make sense. You said "well-deserved draw" and then implied that you do not condone his behavior. If you want to discourage this behavior, you should have finished him off in order to dissuade him from not resigning again. Because he got away with a draw, he will think that not resigning in such a position is a good idea. 

Contradictory because I sarcastically say "well deserved draw"? Uhm... OK. I could've mated the guy, but I wasn't up for thinking. Maybe next time...

now i get u, u are trying to say dont waste ur opponents time by keep playing? IF it was 2 hours left i would resign,so good idea in OTB, not so good in blitz or bullet

Redgreenorangeyellow
wornaki wrote:
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
wornaki wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

The point is not that you have resigned games when you were down what you thought was decisive material. Apparently your immense psychic powers enable you to determine when your opponent is playing on just to annoy you rather than because he thinks he can still draw, but to refuse to finish the game and then block your opponent seems to be an example of the kind of inconsiderate behavior for which you rage against your opponent and anyone like him.

 

Did I finish the game? Sure, we drew.  I didn't deprive my opponent of his well deserved draw, but that doesn't mean I have to condone that behavior. As I don't have to condone it (just as he didn't have to resign the game), I decided to just keep the opponent out of my chess life.

Once again, my intention with this thread was to appeal to beginners not to make themselves non resigners and then carry that to serious OTB chess...

You are being contradictory to the point that your statements don't make sense. You said "well-deserved draw" and then implied that you do not condone his behavior. If you want to discourage this behavior, you should have finished him off in order to dissuade him from not resigning again. Because he got away with a draw, he will think that not resigning in such a position is a good idea. 

Contradictory because I sarcastically say "well deserved draw"? Uhm... OK. I could've mated the guy, but I wasn't up for thinking. Maybe next time...

Get some real humor. Don't try to pass off idiocy as sarcasm. We all see right through your apparent stupidity. 

Redgreenorangeyellow
saeadborji wrote:

Once again, my intention with this thread was to appeal to beginners not to make themselves non resigners and then carry that to serious OTB chess...

@wornaki what you are trying to say is right, but you are not the right person to say it. 

Why? Because you dont take the medication you prescribe the others. Here we see more and more games from you where you are down material and yet you keep playing. 

How come you are exempted from observing this "etiquette" thing? Yes, you are a hypocrite indeed. Here @forked_again brings another game as a proof to your hypocrisy. You are down a queen and keep playing your opponent? Why? Where was your etiquette? You always have some story to rationalize the games you swindled of course. Maybe the same way that you refuse to admit you are totally busted on this forum, your opponent want to refuse that he is busted in the game. 

Once again, what you say is right but you are not the right person to say it cuz it is proved that you do not follow your own advice. 

Anyway, enough has been said. unfollow

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He will refuse to address your statement.

azecutor

I play for a win in K + P vs K + Q

wornaki
saeadborji wrote:

Once again, my intention with this thread was to appeal to beginners not to make themselves non resigners and then carry that to serious OTB chess...

@wornaki what you are trying to say is right, but you are not the right person to say it. 

Why? Because you dont take the medication you prescribe the others. Here we see more and more games from you where you are down material and yet you keep playing. 

How come you are exempted from observing this "etiquette" thing? Yes, you are a hypocrite indeed. Here @forked_again brings another game as a proof to your hypocrisy. You are down a queen and keep playing your opponent? Why? Where was your etiquette? You always have some story to rationalize the games you swindled of course. Maybe the same way that you refuse to admit you are totally busted on this forum, your opponent want to refuse that he is busted in the game. 

Once again, what you say is right but you are not the right person to say it cuz it is proved that you do not follow your own advice. 

Anyway, enough has been said. unfollow

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You aren't going to read this, since you unfollowed this conversation, but... just in case...

I have many games in which I have swindled opponents. I can show as much proof as @forked_again. Is that something I do? Sure, occasionally. Does that invalidate my points? I don't think so. You come up in here being unnecessarily aggressive towards me. You want to shoot the messenger, because you don't care about the message at all. Go ahead, do it. I couldn't care less.

I specified in my original post (and in subsequent ones) what were my criteria to suggest a certain etiquette. You obviously disagree and you were kind enough to say and I quote:

 

"You had better block me too cuz I am gonna remember you and if we are ever paired, even if I am down a queen, I will continue till I smother mate you."

 

Real classy threat. Proper etiquette right there... a guy over 2K getting all worked up because a guy thinks it's good that beginners (and I am one of them) to resign lost positions and not breed bad habits for OTB serious chess. First it was about the advice being the reason of your viciousness, now it's that I'm not "morally qualified" to say that. Nice goalpost moving there.

 

Now, I must thank you, for you have made it quite clear to me you are the type of toxic player that beginners should stay away from. May you have a good chess life and may our paths never cross again...

wornaki
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
wornaki wrote:
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
wornaki wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

The point is not that you have resigned games when you were down what you thought was decisive material. Apparently your immense psychic powers enable you to determine when your opponent is playing on just to annoy you rather than because he thinks he can still draw, but to refuse to finish the game and then block your opponent seems to be an example of the kind of inconsiderate behavior for which you rage against your opponent and anyone like him.

 

Did I finish the game? Sure, we drew.  I didn't deprive my opponent of his well deserved draw, but that doesn't mean I have to condone that behavior. As I don't have to condone it (just as he didn't have to resign the game), I decided to just keep the opponent out of my chess life.

Once again, my intention with this thread was to appeal to beginners not to make themselves non resigners and then carry that to serious OTB chess...

You are being contradictory to the point that your statements don't make sense. You said "well-deserved draw" and then implied that you do not condone his behavior. If you want to discourage this behavior, you should have finished him off in order to dissuade him from not resigning again. Because he got away with a draw, he will think that not resigning in such a position is a good idea. 

Contradictory because I sarcastically say "well deserved draw"? Uhm... OK. I could've mated the guy, but I wasn't up for thinking. Maybe next time...

Get some real humor. Don't try to pass off idiocy as sarcasm. We all see right through your apparent stupidity. 

 

So, my opponent is not "forced" to resign, but I'm forced to mate him? Is that how it works? I don't think so.

Dsmith42

@wornaki - Resigning is a bad habit, and it impedes players attempting to improve, particularly for folks around the 1200 level.  What's impolite are the folks who don't understand that non-resigning players are using losing or even lost positions to practice drawing techniques (fortress building, stalemate defenses, etc.), or merely to get a better player to show them an ending they don't know yet.

A lot of otherwise decent players don't know the K+R v. K checkmate.  I once had an opponent in a high school tournament purposely trade down to K+N+B v. K and immediately offer a draw.  I had to spend 34 moves finishing him off.  Was I annoyed?  Of course not!  I got to play that forced mate in a game that mattered!

If you truly enjoy the game of chess, then finishing won positions should be fun, if not entirely automatic.  Even if a position is "hopeless", if you don't see the finish, you should play on.  Players who play the endings out get better faster than those who don't.

randomchessguy1500

Yes, they are easy, but you can stalemate if you arent paying attention/don’t know the stalemate rule. 700 and below will sometimes stalemate.

richardn413

I very rarely resign. I've played many games where the opponent has stalemated when I have had only my king left, where the opponent has timed out trying to find a relatively simple checkmate, where I have been many pieces behind and the opponent has blundered their queen. Conversely, I've seen my opponent resign thinking the game is lost, but on analysis they are actually ahead. If you're a casual player, not resigning at all can reap rewards.

Malememm

@ArtOfArcane I could possibly manage stalemate K+R if pressured by time or too tired.

forked_again

Wornaki said

"I could've mated the guy, but I wasn't up for thinking"

?????

Maybe you should troll a different web site?  That has got to be the dumbest thing ever said on chess.com

forked_again

That's so hilarious I might make it my permanent signature!

"I could've mated the guy, but I wasn't up for thinking"

Wornaki 

October 2020

forked_again
wornaki wrote

 

So, my opponent is not "forced" to resign, but I'm forced to mate him? Is that how it works? I don't think so.

Holy friggin hell IS THIS EVEN REAL??????

lfPatriotGames
forked_again wrote:
wornaki wrote

 

So, my opponent is not "forced" to resign, but I'm forced to mate him? Is that how it works? I don't think so.

Holy friggin hell IS THIS EVEN REAL??????

He didn't really say that did he?

forked_again
lfPatriotGames wrote:
forked_again wrote:
wornaki wrote

 

So, my opponent is not "forced" to resign, but I'm forced to mate him? Is that how it works? I don't think so.

Holy friggin hell IS THIS EVEN REAL??????

He didn't really say that did he?

Page 6 post 111 yes it is real!

forked_again
wornaki wrote:
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
wornaki wrote:
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
wornaki wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

The point is not that you have resigned games when you were down what you thought was decisive material. Apparently your immense psychic powers enable you to determine when your opponent is playing on just to annoy you rather than because he thinks he can still draw, but to refuse to finish the game and then block your opponent seems to be an example of the kind of inconsiderate behavior for which you rage against your opponent and anyone like him.

 

Did I finish the game? Sure, we drew.  I didn't deprive my opponent of his well deserved draw, but that doesn't mean I have to condone that behavior. As I don't have to condone it (just as he didn't have to resign the game), I decided to just keep the opponent out of my chess life.

Once again, my intention with this thread was to appeal to beginners not to make themselves non resigners and then carry that to serious OTB chess...

You are being contradictory to the point that your statements don't make sense. You said "well-deserved draw" and then implied that you do not condone his behavior. If you want to discourage this behavior, you should have finished him off in order to dissuade him from not resigning again. Because he got away with a draw, he will think that not resigning in such a position is a good idea. 

Contradictory because I sarcastically say "well deserved draw"? Uhm... OK. I could've mated the guy, but I wasn't up for thinking. Maybe next time...

Get some real humor. Don't try to pass off idiocy as sarcasm. We all see right through your apparent stupidity. 

 

So, my opponent is not "forced" to resign, but I'm forced to mate him? Is that how it works? I don't think so.

The full record.

lfPatriotGames

Well it takes all kinds I guess.