When to resign - Etiquette - An honest appeal

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Arceusadi_69

@Xeperi's comment cracked me up happy.png 

Marnickson

At my (and OPs) rating, if i blunder a piece and my opponent is similar rating as me, chances are they will blunder a piece too or draw a won endgame like R+K vs K (which is all i will remember from the first post)

It’s meta but you only resign when youre lost. When you play against wornaki or me, you’re never fully lost. Play it out and get some necessary endgame practice. We both obviously need it

PleasantEscalator

Can you people stop bumping this, it’s dead smh wornaki only wanted attention 😑

Knightmaster2008

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Ar7uN007

You may resign when you feel like there is no point to continue the game

 

RingwraithRob

i choose mostly to play to the end as it helps me evaluate positions and sometimes you can force a stalemate which is better than resigning but if its totally hopeless ye

1e4c6_O-1

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PleasantEscalator

Can you people stop commenting...

1e4c6_O-1

comment number 1234!

PleasantEscalator

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Happy_Trails_4

Never resign.  Offer a draw? OK... but never resign, especially in tightly clocked games.  There are many reasons to stay in play.  I will elaborate should anyone care to know in greater detail.

throughvoyage23

just had abuse for not resigining and found this thread, didn't even realise resiging was a thing you were ever expected to do in timed chess. Surely I was watching the clock and making decisions based on that? I carried out a queen exchange knowing I would try and win on time.

 

Anyway, I've vented now. 99% of everyone is sporting and gracious, just really gets my back up to be called a "looser" for playing to win.

dbmates

The OP made a claim about etiquette. Etiquette is a social convention, and it's clear from the overwhelming majority of posts made in response to the OP that he is wrong about what etiquette requires. Of course, he's certainly correct about his preferences, and he doesn't wrong anyone if he blocks people whose behavior he finds distasteful. But, in a huge range of cases discussed, although the OP might find the behavior distasteful, he is quite apparently incorrect to say that it contravenes the rules of etiquette.

I'm also surprised by his confidence that he can read the obnoxious intentions in other people's minds on the basis of their (to so many of us, socially acceptable) behavior.

Made_in_Shoreditch

Back in the day coaching juniors (U8's U10's etc) for OTB tournament play the advice given is not to resign and not to expect your opponent to resign. Deliver mate or get mated, no surrender, no draws, play to the bitter end. Similarly with offers of a draw, if your opponent offers you a draw ask yourself 'what is it they don't  like about the position'? Our juniors were taught the game backwards learning all the elementary checkmates, stalemate positions and how to convert a pawn before moving on to openings. The game is about checkmating your opponent, if you don't know how to checkmate you don't know how to play so why would you expect to win?

Made_in_Shoreditch

Our juniors were also taught the rules of play including the FIDE 'Quickplay finish' rule where you can claim a draw in the last 2 minutes of an OTB rapid play game (regardless of material or position) if your opponent cannot win by normal means or is not making an effort to win. Its not cheating, its not bad etiquette, its the rules!

throughvoyage23

Yeah, I played as a child and have taken up chess again (like many I imagine) during lock down, I can still hear my Grandpa telling me not to quit when I lose a queen! Though at that age I usually threw the table on the floor.

Lucywarner0
No ones saying ur a bad player u know?! Just that maybe people should try to get through a game! It’s not a big deal tho...
TempChessAccount

Is THIS why people keep resigning?  Because they think it's polite.  It's so annoying.  Just when the game gets fun and I can enjoy the benefit of my hard work, they resign.  Noooooo!!!!  It's like working hard all week, and then having my paycheck shown to me but not given to me, withheld.  I mean, it's their right to resign but it really makes me annoyed that they resign.  

Unfortunately, they will sometimes play things out, only because they see that I am short on time.  I mean, I like that they are not resigning, but it's annoying that it's only because they hope that I run out of time in a winning position.  They don't seem to love the game...

 

lfPatriotGames
TempChessAccount wrote:

Is THIS why people keep resigning?  Because they think it's polite.  It's so annoying.  Just when the game gets fun and I can enjoy the benefit of my hard work, they resign.  Noooooo!!!!  It's like working hard all week, and then having my paycheck shown to me but not given to me, withheld.  I mean, it's their right to resign but it really makes me annoyed that they resign.  

Unfortunately, they will sometimes play things out, only because they see that I am short on time.  I mean, I like that they are not resigning, but it's annoying that it's only because they hope that I run out of time in a winning position.  They don't seem to love the game...

 

I agree. If someone has gone through the effort to get themselves in a winning position, it would be rude to deprive them of that hard work. The result is the same, a win. So it's just a matter of HOW that game is won. If someone feels like their time is wasted in performing checkmate, well then guess what, their time is also wasted in making the moves to GET to checkmate. I don't think there is any harm in resigning, it's just not very polite. 

x-3232926362

Even top grandmasters will defend theoretically lost positions under tight time control if they see practical chances. Expecting under 1200 players to resign in blitz (!) is just ridiculous.

It is not against etiquette to continue playing if there's a real chance to save the game (even if the position is theoretically lost).

And talking about etiquette: blocking a player because you failed to convert your advantage into a win, that is bad sportsmanship.