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gypsygil wrote:

those of us that have played for more then 40 years may have been trying to xreate own openings and games to play against different stratagies always thinking out side the box not just book learned stategies .

There are no more new openings to be found out

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Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

How can someone study chess for 48years and still be below 2000 ? I started 6 months ago and am at 1500

no need to be a dick about it.

You need not be one instead. Things were sorted out earlier .

Just calling out some bad behavior. If that makes me a d*ick then sure. I'm glad you worked it out and feel better about mocking someones ability. There are a lot of people here who love chess but will never get above 1000; no need to make them feel bad.

I wasn't making anyone feel bad. And there was no reason for you to bring it up when the other guy had responded politely and things were calm. 

How do you know if he took it politely, he’s probably annoyed, but your a kid, I think, so he wasn’t going to start lecturing you about stuff.

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antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

How can someone study chess for 48years and still be below 2000 ? I started 6 months ago and am at 1500

no need to be a dick about it.

You need not be one instead. Things were sorted out earlier .

Just calling out some bad behavior. If that makes me a d*ick then sure. I'm glad you worked it out and feel better about mocking someones ability. There are a lot of people here who love chess but will never get above 1000; no need to make them feel bad.

I don't feel bad.   Like I said, I had other interests in life, so I didn't devote every moment to chess.   I'm ok with only being an 1800 player and not spending another 10-15 years studying endgames, just so that I can have bragging rights and a 2 in front of my rating.   Obviously, he has no idea how hard it is to go from 1500 to 2000.   He'll find out the hard way though or give up trying at some point.

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PeasantElevator wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

How can someone study chess for 48years and still be below 2000 ? I started 6 months ago and am at 1500

no need to be a dick about it.

You need not be one instead. Things were sorted out earlier .

Just calling out some bad behavior. If that makes me a d*ick then sure. I'm glad you worked it out and feel better about mocking someones ability. There are a lot of people here who love chess but will never get above 1000; no need to make them feel bad.

I wasn't making anyone feel bad. And there was no reason for you to bring it up when the other guy had responded politely and things were calm. 

How do you know if he took it politely, he’s probably annoyed, but your a kid, I think, so he wasn’t going to start lecturing you about stuff.

You need not be concerned how he felt . He handled it politely . What someone displays is important. And I don't think so you have any business in this .

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Ok then

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JeffGreen333 wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

How can someone study chess for 48years and still be below 2000 ? I started 6 months ago and am at 1500

no need to be a dick about it.

You need not be one instead. Things were sorted out earlier .

Just calling out some bad behavior. If that makes me a d*ick then sure. I'm glad you worked it out and feel better about mocking someones ability. There are a lot of people here who love chess but will never get above 1000; no need to make them feel bad.

I don't feel bad.   Like I said, I had other interests in life, so I didn't devote every moment to chess.   I'm ok with only being an 1800 player and not spending another 10-15 years studying endgames, just so that I can have bragging rights and a 2 in front of my rating.   Obviously, he has no idea how hard it is to go from 1500 to 2000.   He'll find out the hard way though or give up trying at some point.

I won't give up for sure....but I don't think so am going to find out the hard way either....thinks don't look good for me

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PeasantElevator wrote:

the same thing to me, I was 800 last year I gained 1k points in a year...

Online blitz and bullet ratings are not an accurate reflection of your true playing strength though.   You can't really claim to be an 1800 player if you don't have an 1800 FIDE or USCF rating.   It takes a LOT longer to get those official ratings, because you have to play in classical tournaments.   Tournaments costs money and are much more time-consuming.   You might only be able to play 10-100 classical tournament games a year, compared to thousands of online bullet games.   So, it can take an entire year to move your rating 100 points.   That's why the ratings on here are so inflated.   It takes almost no time at all for your rating to catch up to your playing strength on here.   It can take years in OTB tournament play though.  

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I was 1095 OTB and I still am now...

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Haven’t played OTB since march

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JeffGreen333 wrote:
PeasantElevator wrote:

the same thing to me, I was 800 last year I gained 1k points in a year...

Online blitz and bullet ratings are not an accurate reflection of your true playing strength though.   You can't really claim to be an 1800 player if you don't have an 1800 FIDE or USCF rating.   It takes a LOT longer to get those official ratings, because you have to play in classical tournaments.   Tournaments costs money and are much more time-consuming.   You might only be able to play 10-100 classical tournament games a year, compared to thousands of online bullet games.   So, it can take an entire year to move your rating 100 points.   That's why the ratings on here are so inflated.   It takes almost no time at all for your rating to catch up to your playing strength on here.   It can take years in OTB tournament play though.  

It shouldn't, if you're any good. If you're a beginner, at the right age, It should be possible to gain 300 to 400 FIDE in a year OTB. In blitz here, a good player could start at 800 and get up to 1900 in an afternoon's play.

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PeasantElevator wrote:

u dont need to be rude about it @Anonymous_Dragon, ur just trying to brag that u got to 1500 in six months, which is pretty good tbh

I wasn't being rude. And even if I was... the person at whom the message was intended at didn't take it that way ...or even if he did things got sorted out politely

I have a thick skin now.  My Mom just died from Covid, 3 or 4 weeks ago, so being made fun of for only being an 1800 player at 57 years old doesn't really phase me any more.   It stung for a second, until I realized that I decided long ago to have a more rounded life, rather than dedicating every waking minute to chess.   What does a 2000 rating get you anyway?   That and $4.50 will get you a cafe' latte'.   You need to have a 2650 or higher rating to make it as a professional chess player these days.   I gave up on that decades ago.

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Very, very sorry about your mum, Jeff. I'm sure I speak for everyone.

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JeffGreen333 wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
PeasantElevator wrote:

u dont need to be rude about it @Anonymous_Dragon, ur just trying to brag that u got to 1500 in six months, which is pretty good tbh

I wasn't being rude. And even if I was... the person at whom the message was intended at didn't take it that way ...or even if he did things got sorted out politely

I have a thick skin now.  My Mom just died from Covid, 3 or 4 weeks ago, so being made fun of for only being an 1800 player at 57 years old doesn't really phase me any more.   It stung for a second, until I realized that I decided long ago to have a more rounded life, rather than dedicating every waking minute to chess.   What does a 2000 rating get you anyway?   That and $4.50 will get you a cafe' latte'.   You need to have a 2650 or higher rating to make it as a professional chess player these days.   I gave up on that decades ago.

Am really sorry about it . Didn't really mean to make fun in any sense . And it wouldn't make any sense as well of making fun of someone for being 2000 ...cause I myself haven't even reached there. Please accept my apologies 🙏 . I won't repeat that again. 

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And am really sorry sorry about your mom . Peace .

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PeasantElevator wrote:

Haven’t played OTB since march

Yeah, this pandemic is slowing down OTB ratings even more than usual.   

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Optimissed wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
PeasantElevator wrote:

the same thing to me, I was 800 last year I gained 1k points in a year...

Online blitz and bullet ratings are not an accurate reflection of your true playing strength though.   You can't really claim to be an 1800 player if you don't have an 1800 FIDE or USCF rating.   It takes a LOT longer to get those official ratings, because you have to play in classical tournaments.   Tournaments costs money and are much more time-consuming.   You might only be able to play 10-100 classical tournament games a year, compared to thousands of online bullet games.   So, it can take an entire year to move your rating 100 points.   That's why the ratings on here are so inflated.   It takes almost no time at all for your rating to catch up to your playing strength on here.   It can take years in OTB tournament play though.  

It shouldn't, if you're any good. If you're a beginner, at the right age, It should be possible to gain 300 to 400 FIDE in a year OTB. In blitz here, a good player could start at 800 and get up to 1900 in an afternoon's play.

Well, that's because chess.com uses a Glicko system.  USCF uses (or did use when I used to play tournaments) a provisional ratings system (only the first 20 games are weighted heavily).   So, after you play 20 USCF-rated tournament games, your rating moves much more slowly.   On here, it gradually slows down, little by little.   Btw, just because you can go from 800 to 1900 in one day doesn't mean that you can go from 1900 to 3000 the next day.   lol   And again, bullet and blitz online ratings don't count for squat.

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The tournament circuits in the uk used to have people, back in the 90s, who could make a living from chess. Ratings about 220 BCF (#2350 FIDE), tournaments cheap to enter and prizes typically 40 or 50 times more than the entrance fee, a bit of coaching and a few simuls. I think that lifestyle's gone.

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JeffGreen333 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
PeasantElevator wrote:

the same thing to me, I was 800 last year I gained 1k points in a year...

Online blitz and bullet ratings are not an accurate reflection of your true playing strength though.   You can't really claim to be an 1800 player if you don't have an 1800 FIDE or USCF rating.   It takes a LOT longer to get those official ratings, because you have to play in classical tournaments.   Tournaments costs money and are much more time-consuming.   You might only be able to play 10-100 classical tournament games a year, compared to thousands of online bullet games.   So, it can take an entire year to move your rating 100 points.   That's why the ratings on here are so inflated.   It takes almost no time at all for your rating to catch up to your playing strength on here.   It can take years in OTB tournament play though.  

It shouldn't, if you're any good. If you're a beginner, at the right age, It should be possible to gain 300 to 400 FIDE in a year OTB. In blitz here, a good player could start at 800 and get up to 1900 in an afternoon's play.

Well, that's because chess.com uses a Glicko system.  USCF uses (or did use when I used to play tournaments) a provisional ratings system (only the first 20 games are weighted heavily).   So, after you play 20 USCF-rated tournament games, your rating moves much more slowly.   On here, it gradually slows down, little by little.   

I know, when I joined here, I started on 1200 blitz and was up to 1850 in an afternoon but my progress through the BCF (now ECF) ratings in the UK was slow. In the UK, grades were only worked out once a year, based on all the results. Apart from that, the UK system had a lot to commend it. I went from zero (I really did have a grade of estimated zero due to about four losses before I started to study) 89, 106, 132, 149 (that's the coveted 1800 FIDE) then it went down because I had a year playing 1. e4 and 1. e5 to get tactically sharper, and then it climbed up to the equivalent of 1975 (or a bit more, depending on how t's worked out) FIDE over quite a few years. So you're right. But it wasn't unusual for juniors and beginners to gain a lot of points in a season.

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Epiloque wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
PeasantElevator wrote:

Haven’t played OTB since march

Yeah, this pandemic is slowing down OTB ratings even more than usual.   

lol I am uscf 950. If I wanted to I could go to under 1k tourneys, but that would be sandbagging

What's wrong with saving your rating, to give yourself a better chance of winning?   Lots of players do that.   I've even thought of doing it myself.   My official USCF rating is something like 1470, but I feel like I'm playing at an 1800 level now.   I'm sure I could win 2 or 3 class tournaments (under 1500 and under 1600) until my rating caught up to my strength.   Especially now that I'm eligible for senior consolation prizes, it might be worthwhile.   Assuming I can still memorize my opening repertoire at my age.  lol   

It's only considered "sandbagging" if you lose games on purpose, in order to lower your rating.   For example, if you entered several chess clubs quads, with low entry fees and low payouts, and you lost on purpose in order to lower your rating.  Then if you entered the World Open in a lower class than your were before, to win the big money .... that would be sandbagging.   I think they have ways to prevent that now though.  Like ratings floors.   For example, once you break 1200, you might not be able to drop below 1000 ever again.

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Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

And am really sorry sorry about your mom . Peace .

Thanks, guys.