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taseredbirdinstinct
May 25, 2022
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#21
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

after e5 and nf3 white is winning

After e5 and nf3 how is white winning?

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InsertInterestingNameHere
May 25, 2022
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#22
pfren wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

after e5 and nf3 white is winning

 

Feel free to show us the "winning line" after 5...d6.

 

And 5.d4 isn't such a bad move: 5...Qh4+ (else Black is somewhat worse) 6.Ke2 d6 7.Nf3 Bg4 8.Qe1! etc- typical King's gambit structure.

There is no “line”, white is just better. There are variations you can go into. But you’re the IM, so can you explain why white is not winning?

And, maybe not a “bad” move, but you just explained almost all gambits. Not bad, but compared to what you could have (with sound openings), it’s simply better. I’d rather have a knight on f3 than a pawn on d4 and a king on e2. 

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taseredbirdinstinct
May 25, 2022
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#23
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

By the way I should clarify that when the OP says "damiano's gambit" it is reffering to 3.Nxe5, which is almost winning for white, not 2...f6?!.

Damiano defense is a weak move by black (2...f6) 

Damiano gambit is a strong gambit by white which punishes the Damiano defense (3.Nxe5).

 

With that in mind there are 3 gambits which come to mind where white can play for advantage. Queens gambit, Marshall gambit (in the triangle system, not the Ruy) and Damiano Gambit. Any more?

 

If you extend this to include gambits where the side playing them is no worse, it becomes much larger.

What is the Marshall Gambit in the Triangle system? I've never heard of it before.

Let's extend this list to include gambits where the side playing them is no worse, which ones do you know of that fits this category? You said that if you extend it to include those types of gambits the list becomes much larger.

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taseredbirdinstinct
May 25, 2022
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#24
pfren wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

after e5 and nf3 white is winning

 

Feel free to show us the "winning line" after 5...d6.

 

And 5.d4 isn't such a bad move: 5...Qh4+ (else Black is somewhat worse) 6.Ke2 d6 7.Nf3 Bg4 8.Qe1! etc- typical King's gambit structure.

Is white always able to regain the pawn if black accepts the Vienna Gambit?

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Sack_o_Potatoes
May 25, 2022
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#25

Yes except for daminao

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swarminglocusts
May 25, 2022
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#26
Blackmere Diemer gambit is another one I haven’t seen posted.
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InsertInterestingNameHere
May 25, 2022
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#27

That’s because it isn’t sound. An early e5/c5 and white is worse. The system with Nf6 and Bf5 is also quite bad, as a bdg player 

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taseredbirdinstinct
May 25, 2022
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#28
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

That’s because it isn’t sound. An early e5/c5 and white is worse. The system with Nf6 and Bf5 is also quite bad, as a bdg player 

it's Blackmar, not Blackmere. Blackburne also used the Blackmar Diemer Gambit, although Armand Blackmar was the the first to employ it, Diemer started using it after Blackburne did.

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InsertInterestingNameHere
May 25, 2022
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#29

Does anyone mind commenting on the “sound-ness” of

1: d4 f5 e4

and 

2. e4 d5 exd5 nf6

not quite sure where to put these

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InsertInterestingNameHere
May 25, 2022
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#30

Yeah, Portuguese and Icelandic (I kinda group em together)

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TheMsquare
May 25, 2022
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#31

The Queens gambit is the most safe gambit..

For gambits where you are not completely guaranteed you will get your material back or else get a winning advantage 

The best gambit is The King's gambit 

There is another gambit dubbed the Dark Knight Gambit by Levy Rosman.. check his channel to find out what it is about if your interested

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TheMsquare
May 25, 2022
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#32
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

2. e4 d5 exd5 nf6

not quite sure where to put these

Not a gambit yet, and I'm not sure about the Nxd5 lines, but I'll assume you're talking about the portugese 3.d4 Bg4!?

Borderline sound - Multiple ways for white to get a small edge, but no definitive refutation. I would put it in the same category as BDG, maybe slightly stronger.

If you play the Scandinavian. Take back the pawn with the queen.. Nf6 is not good.. 

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TheMsquare
May 25, 2022
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#33
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
pfren wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

after e5 and nf3 white is winning

 

Feel free to show us the "winning line" after 5...d6.

 

And 5.d4 isn't such a bad move: 5...Qh4+ (else Black is somewhat worse) 6.Ke2 d6 7.Nf3 Bg4 8.Qe1! etc- typical King's gambit structure.

There is no “line”, white is just better. There are variations you can go into. But you’re the IM, so can you explain why white is not winning?

And, maybe not a “bad” move, but you just explained almost all gambits. Not bad, but compared to what you could have (with sound openings), it’s simply better. I’d rather have a knight on f3 than a pawn on d4 and a king on e2. 

Just because you moved your king in the opening for example Ke2 doesn't mean your opponents position is preferable. 

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IM pfren
May 26, 2022
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#34
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

2. e4 d5 exd5 nf6

not quite sure where to put these

Not a gambit yet, and I'm not sure about the Nxd5 lines, but I'll assume you're talking about the portugese 3.d4 Bg4!?

Borderline sound - Multiple ways for white to get a small edge, but no definitive refutation. I would put it in the same category as BDG, maybe slightly stronger.

 

Even GM @Smurfo who wrote a whole book on it says that the Portuguese is objectively unsound.

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Kraig
May 26, 2022
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#35

Smith Mora Gambit is also pretty sound. I don't play it myself though as I prefer playing into the open sicillian.

I actually do play unsound gambits though, Stafford, Englund, etc. Sometimes you get punished, sometimes not - but the point is to have fun playing it! It's a game at the end of the day!