Why is the F7 square considered weak?

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TheBlunderPunisher

You're half right. It is the king's square, but that's exactly why it's weak. If white was to sac on f7, especially a bishop or knight, the king would have no choice but to take and therefore expose himself. This is also why f7 isn't nearly as weak after castling; now the rook of f8 takes care of it (but after castling h7 becomes weak, though that's usually not a problem if there was a knight on f6)

TheBlunderPunisher
NilsIngemar wrote:

That is what I thought. Unless you blow your opening, queen h5 is no threat.

I'm back. Let's start the day with a civil discussion, shall we?

Here is a hypothetical, unlikely, but obviously legal position:

It's true that Qh5 is no threat against best play, but my point all along was that after Qh5 has been played, e6 is not an option.

Say you were handed this position as black. Would you play e6? I didn't think so.

nklristic

Instead of b6 (after Qh5) you can play Nf6 as a tempo gaining move and developing at the same time. b6 doesn't make any sense after Qh5. But... if it really has to be that position, then g6 most likely.

NilsIngemar
MarkGrubb wrote:

f2 is also weak for the same reasons. Google the Traxler Counter Attack to see some ideas for Black. It is a line in the Italian game.

Here is a trap line that exploits the weak f2 square

 

NilsIngemar
TheBlunderPunisher wrote:
NilsIngemar wrote:

That is what I thought. Unless you blow your opening, queen h5 is no threat.

I'm back. Let's start the day with a civil discussion, shall we?

Here is a hypothetical, unlikely, but obviously legal position:

It's true that Qh5 is no threat against best play, but my point all along was that after Qh5 has been played, e6 is not an option.

Say you were handed this position as black. Would you play e6? I didn't think so.

Yeah, if you open foolishly it can hurt.  Here is another example.

 

NilsIngemar
TheBlunderPunisher wrote:
NilsIngemar wrote:

That is what I thought. Unless you blow your opening, queen h5 is no threat.

I'm back. Let's start the day with a civil discussion, shall we?

Here is a hypothetical, unlikely, but obviously legal position:

It's true that Qh5 is no threat against best play, but my point all along was that after Qh5 has been played, e6 is not an option.

Say you were handed this position as black. Would you play e6? I didn't think so.

For your example after Qh5, I would either play Nf6 or g6 looking to fianchetto, or take the queen if white does not move his queen.

TheBlunderPunisher

Nf6 and g6 are sensible moves, while e6 is not.

Finally we are in agreement.

NilsIngemar

You always play the board. My suggestion for e6 was to protect from the bishop specifically.

nklristic

Guys you can't play Nf6 in that given position, it would be mate in 1 (Qxf7#). You can play g6. Nf6 would be an option right after Qh5, on move 2 for black to chase the queen.

NilsIngemar
nklristic wrote:

Guys you can't play Nf6 in that given position, it would be mate in 1. You can play g6. Nf6 would be an option right after Qh5.

I was saying this

 

nklristic

Yeah, there you can do it, and then it is the logical move-developing and gaining a tempo on the queen. b6 isn't that logical there.

kaiden534
F2 and F7 are weak pawns because only the king is protecting them
PunchboxNET

If black were to play 3... Nf6 there then...

I would just probably resign as black now.

(Fork with queen and rook)

That’s why I play the Italian as white and the Scandinavian Defense as black (Scandinavian to stop the Italian from ever happening)

TheOtherCreep
PunchboxNET wrote:

If black were to play 3... Nf6 there then...

I would just probably resign as black now.

(Fork with queen and rook)

That’s why I play the Italian as white and the Scandinavian Defense as black (Scandinavian to stop the Italian from ever happening)

This was a bad move by white because black has counter play such as the traxler. You played the traxler so you would do this

the game will go on and the your queen will get in the fight and deliver checkmate. if you dont play it right you will get fried liver attacked

TheOtherCreep
PunchboxNET wrote:

If black were to play 3... Nf6 there then...

I would just probably resign as black now.

(Fork with queen and rook)

That’s why I play the Italian as white and the Scandinavian Defense as black (Scandinavian to stop the Italian from ever happening)

you delivered a counter attack if you play the traxler right and exactly right. You can go watch GothamChess etc. on how to play the traxler right. If your opponent checks you with the bishop its not over yet. Traxler will still be delivered either way its that simple. 

gwillie95

yes basically it is

NilsIngemar

 

JackRoach

watch this...

 

NilsIngemar
JackRoach wrote:

watch this...

 

Yeah, that was an idiotic move.

 

Watch this idiotic play

 

blueemu

The weakness of the f7 square?