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Hharski

Hi guys, Why does this situation end in a draw even though I have time left and the opponent runs out of time?



hoomanjalalimogaddam

I don't know what you mean. It is obviously a losing end game for black. It is because of 50 move rule. If you be unable to checkmate your opponent in 50 moves and there is no peices left for your opponent that going to be draw.

hoomanjalalimogaddam

Some of chess rules are ridiculous.

Hharski

So the time does not matter?

tygxc

You were black. White ran out of time. 
'6.9 Except where one of Articles 5.1.1, 5.1.2, 5.2.1, 5.2.2, 5.2.3 applies, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by that player. However, the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves.'

https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012023

There is no series of legal moves where you can checkmate the white king with your lone black king, hence draw indeed.

hoomanjalalimogaddam

Yes. He must have been lost

Hharski

Thank you for the answer. I need to have King and rook when the time ends (?)

magipi
Hharski wrote:

So the time does not matter?

First of all, ignore what the hoomanjala guy is talking. It's pure nonsense. The 50-move rule has nothing to do with this one.

Find your game, then click on the "info" tab, and you'll see why it's a draw:

Game drawn by timeout vs insufficient material

What this means is: your opponent ran out of time, which means that she loses, but in this case you have no material to win with - so it's a draw.

hoomanjalalimogaddam

Thanks

hoomanjalalimogaddam

I thought white was Hharski.

tygxc

@7

"I need to have King and rook when the time ends (?)"

It need not be a rook; a bishop, a knight, or a pawn suffice as long as you can checkmate the opponent's king by a possible series of legal moves.

Hharski

That was well explained Magipi, thank you. Now I understand.

bigD521

On this site insufficient mating material specifically means ...

A lone King, King and Bishop, or King and Knight.

Anything else is considered sufficient material to mate on this site. Other sites, FIDE and USCF may have different rules.

Martin_Stahl
bigD521 wrote:

On this site insufficient mating material specifically means ...

A lone King, King and Bishop, or King and Knight.

Anything else is considered sufficient material to mate on this site. Other sites, FIDE and USCF may have different rules.

King + two knights vs king is also insufficient material to win on timeout.

Martin_Stahl
tygxc wrote:

@7

"I need to have King and rook when the time ends (?)"

It need not be a rook; a bishop, a knight, or a pawn suffice as long as you can checkmate the opponent's king by a possible series of legal moves.

Not here though

tygxc

@15

Yes, it is difficult to program the rules correctly.

tygxc

@14

So here in a forced checkmate KNN vs. KP the KP side can let time run out to get the draw.

bigD521
Martin_Stahl wrote:
bigD521 wrote:

On this site insufficient mating material specifically means ...

A lone King, King and Bishop, or King and Knight.

Anything else is considered sufficient material to mate on this site. Other sites, FIDE and USCF may have different rules.

King + two knights vs king is also insufficient material to win on timeout.

Thank you for the correction, I had that one mixed up. In addition to KB vs K. King +2 or more Bishops of the same color square vs King, should also be insufficient mating material.