Queen + Knight

what do think a queen with knight movement would worth in points?

probably like 20 points

because its so good

well either 20 points or 15 points

ya i guess

because it can jump over pawns

and go long distance

Some people probably know because such a piece existed/exists in a form of chess. Unfortunately not me. My guess is around 12, but I would probably rather have a queen and knight than both combined

ya

Amazon piece is estimated to be about 1.25x / 1.33x times that of the ordinary queen"

Between 11-12 or (1/4 + 1/3) = 0,5834 / 2 = 0,2917 + 1. 

1,2917 * 9 = 11,6253 points. Or simply written - 31/24 x 9

Too strong! At least 13 points, possibly 15. But that's not very interesting in itself because it would completely unbalance the game. 

The more interesting point is that the piece would be able to mate without the help of any other pieces. It would also make pawns worth more, since they are now potentially one of these beasts in the making.

I would think slightly under 12. No matter how strong the piece, it is incpable of attacking more than once. Hence a Queen is weaker than two Rooks working well together.

Not sure about the pawns being worth more. 

In most cases where you promote a pawn and get to keep the piece you win anyways, this would only affect corner cases

Well, a queen is worth more than rook+bishop.

As for asking the people playing fantasy chess with the 'Amazon', I'm not sure they have played this deep enough to have a precise evaluation of the value of that piece... By no way am I saying that they are stupid, or that this game is less interesting than regular chess, but it simply hasn't been played as extensively.

My rough guess would be around 15 too. Probably the value would decrease a bit when going into the endgame.

A very interesting point... I never thought of this.  I don't think it would be intuitive to me for this to be true.

I wonder if you could predict how effectively values scale when movements are combined.  A rook+bishop are both benefited by an open position so perhaps they scale more effectively.  A queen likes opens positions but a knight closed.  The best position for an amazon?  I suppose something in between... say around a total of 6 to 8 pawns remaining perhaps?  Anyway it seems to be arguable that the queen+knight would not scale as well as a bishop+rook on an 8x8 board.

However I have no idea how I'd begin to guess a specific number.  I wonder what methods people use or if it's mostly intuitive for them?

after all perhaps 13 because of the additional bonus point combined by every piece added together. Although Amazon will become the main target for the opposite side. 

Rook + Bishop = 8 + 1 bonus point. Rook + Bishop + Knight provides 2 extra points.

That makes no sense

Everything else being equal, I'd find it likely that a combined movement suffers a penalty rather than a bonus because seperate pieces are able to combine attacks and defenses (i.e. possibility of two attacks and two defenses on 1 square) while the hybrid piece has a maximum of 1.

That rook+bishop+1 = queen is a conincidence.  On a smaller board I suspect a rook+bishop > queen.

Let me reweigh the Amazon again, 13 is actually excessive. Intermediate between 11-12 is again close to correct.

I say we find the value of a combined Queen and Bishop.

(waits for the humor impaired)

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