really funny position! Win or draw?
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Who do you think should win this position with White to move? Or is it a draw? Post your opinion! Win or Draw? Please give complete variations and/or diagrams!
I think its win for the black
Draw,
1. c7 Nfd6
2. c8Q h1Q
3. Qxb7+ Nxb7
what's your line? include variations plese!
Should be a black win, I think? White has only two legal moves: pawn takes knight or pawn advance. If White's pawn takes the knight then Black plays a waiting move, after which White's only legal move is to promote the pawn and Black can exchange off his bishop for it, after which White has no stalemate chances. If White's pawn moves forward then I think it can be promoted, but Black still has a massive material advantage even if it promotes to a queen.
EDIT: Ninja'd. I think SerbianChessStar has it right...it forces a draw immediately.
i can give the solution right now if i wanted!
i just solved it!
SerbianChessStar wrote:
Draw,
1. c7 Nfd6
2. c8Q h1Q
3. Qxb7+ Nxb7
May I ask you what happens after 1. ... h1=Q?
Amnesiac wrote:
gimmewuchagot wrote:
SerbianChessStar wrote:
Draw,
1. c7 Nfd6
2. c8Q h1Q
3. Qxb7+ Nxb7
May I ask you what happens after 1. ... h1=Q?
c8....Bishop! Found on an engine. c8Q loses, c8R loses, c8N loses but c8B draws! Never seen that before.
you cheated! but that is correct!
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gimmewuchagot wrote:
Amnesiac wrote:
gimmewuchagot wrote:
SerbianChessStar wrote:
Draw,
1. c7 Nfd6
2. c8Q h1Q
3. Qxb7+ Nxb7
May I ask you what happens after 1. ... h1=Q?
c8....Bishop! Found on an engine. c8Q loses, c8R loses, c8N loses but c8B draws! Never seen that before.
you cheated! but that is correct!
It is not cheating because you just said to find the answer if it is a win or a draw but you didn't tell us where to find the answer so it is not cheating.
Sac the pawn with 1.c7!
1.cxb7?? quickly loses after 1...h1=Q 2.b8=anything (+) Bxb8.
After 1.c7 Black shouldn't take the pawn since then it's stalemate. He must allow the pawn to promote. 1...h1=Q is the toughest variation (other variations simply allow 2.c8=Q) intending to meet 2.c8=Q with 2...Qh8! trading queens. Therefore White can't promote to a rook or queen and must settle for a minor piece and play 2.c8=B! (threatening 3.Bxb7#!) Nfd6 3.Bxb7+ Nxb7 stalemate.
Windows, we already went over that.
well, if c8=Q, h1=Q, then just Qxb7#, so the pawn is a must take, then that is a absolutely a draw (stalemate).
wuzhe wrote:
well, if c8=Q, h1=Q, then just Qxb7#, so the pawn is a must take, then that is a absolutely a draw (stalemate).
then you can't do h1=Q, because that will be a checkmate for white, 2nd way to do Nd6, and Black might win so white need to sacrifice his queen to make a stalemate, and the move is Qxb7 and the only move here for black is Nxb7 and that is a stalemate, so this is a absolute draw!
dead draw
FIrst, the heading should be changed. When white to move, it should be "Can white draw the game". The question "win or Draw" refers to whether white can win or should compromise for draw. I started looking as if black to move, thanks to the misleading heading.
wuzhe wrote:
wuzhe wrote:
well, if c8=Q, h1=Q, then just Qxb7#, so the pawn is a must take, then that is a absolutely a draw (stalemate).
then you can't do h1=Q, because that will be a checkmate for white, 2nd way to do Nd6, and Black might win so white need to sacrifice his queen to make a stalemate, and the move is Qxb7 and the only move here for black is Nxb7 and that is a stalemate, so this is a absolute draw!
after
1 c7 h1Q
2 c8Q Qh8
3 Qxh8 Bxh8
4 Kb8 loses for White.
can you find the correct continuation?
here is the answer, i changed my min, black wins