I just played a really aggressive variation against the French defence and one of my best games ever (if you don't ask Stockfish about one mistake). I was thinking of what other people play against the French defence. Really curious to see your games.
Attacking the French defence
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BPGHchess
Sep 12, 2023
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I've tried a bunch of different things. I THOUGHT the monte carlo was going to be all that, but almost EVERY ONE of them trench weasels I faced declined it and I had losing stats. as a 1400, I REALLY used to lose to it a lot, but now that i'm playing the alapin diemer (already playing the similar gedult BDG against the scandinavian), I am winning games if not stats and even trashing SOME trench weasels quickly.
the BEST bonus to the alapin diemer was confusing it with the carokann maroczy fantasy variation which I did even worse with until I got confused and started playing 3.Be3 and unwittingly adopting the mieses gambit and absolutely DESTROYING carokanns roughly 2:1 with it with zero study!
I'd like to try the "new" orthoschnapp gambit, but it looks really odd and it's hard to learn theory. I'd like to get a winning record against the french some how
Otw 2000
I think 17. Ne5 is not good in this position . I may play 17. Bf6 gf 18.Qb3 to capture the b2 bishop ,and then,white is doing well.
it looked like it transposed into an open italian
Sep 14, 2023
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lassus_dinnao wrote:
That was no french defence, that was the scandinavian🤓☝️
About that.. the Scandinavian structure is classified with the d pawn for black traded with the e pawn for white. I think what I played is the orthosnapp gambit line, but without the gambit. Correct me if I am wrong. Don't really memorise opening names. 
Sep 14, 2023
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1983B-Boy написал:
I've tried a bunch of different things. I THOUGHT the monte carlo was going to be all that, but almost EVERY ONE of them trench weasels I faced declined it and I had losing stats. as a 1400, I REALLY used to lose to it a lot, but now that i'm playing the alapin diemer (already playing the similar gedult BDG against the scandinavian), I am winning games if not stats and even trashing SOME trench weasels quickly.
the BEST bonus to the alapin diemer was confusing it with the carokann maroczy fantasy variation which I did even worse with until I got confused and started playing 3.Be3 and unwittingly adopting the mieses gambit and absolutely DESTROYING carokanns roughly 2:1 with it with zero study!
I'd like to try the "new" orthoschnapp gambit, but it looks really odd and it's hard to learn theory. I'd like to get a winning record against the french some how
Play the poisoned pawn.
Tough as hell, Coming from a french player.
OH heck no!!!! put my own effing pawn in the way of ripping black's castle open again? NO WAY! I HATE FRENCH ADVANCE and not a fan of it against the sicilian either. I don't like ANYONE'S pawn on e5 EVER, for either side of the board. I'd rather exchange it off to open lines of attack, AND before the alapin diemer, exchange was always where I had my wins, except trying to gambit it with the monte carlo.
It closes the diagonal for my bishop too. I just don't like closed positions and advance french is the "closedest" thing against 1.e4 I know. nope! OPPOSITE of my rip it open style. that's why I WANTED to play monte carlo so bad, but trench weasels wuvs their widdle pawnsies
i'm starting to 0-0-0 against the french and have had a couple good games that way... lining EVERYTHING up on black's 0-0 for the always needed "can opener attack"... can't use my bishop to open diddly if my pawns standing in the way going "duh duh derrr duh derp"
i'm the kind of player that sacks minor pieces to get rid of pawns in my way. I hate dancing around pawns. i hate pawns in general. i've lost or stalemated winning games with opponents playing hide and go seek around my own pawns and at least one game where my opponent hid from a knight, bishop and rook in the center. i should have just rook cornered him and solved it with my king. that's why I don't like queening, unless i have to
I'd try the new orthoschnapp first, but I've heard others praise the "win-a-war"
before I ever changed french attacks (I'm satisfied with my alapin diemer results), i'd book up on more pressing lines where i really get in trouble... namely pirc/modern/owens and all that other hide behind your pawns crap.
COME OUT AND FIGHT YA TRENCH WEASEL!
HAHAHAHA
poisoned pawn winawer
Sep 15, 2023
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BPGHchess wrote:
I just played a really aggressive variation against the French defence and one of my best games ever (if you don't ask Stockfish about one mistake). I was thinking of what other people play against the French defence. Really curious to see your games.
Good game.
I play the French as both sides and find that my least favorite line to play against as black is the advanced variation. As white however, I play the winawer exchange variation.
lassus_dinnao wrote:
That was no french defence, that was the scandinavian🤓☝️
uhhh.... you really need to go learn your openings then because last time I checked, 1.e5 e6 is french and 1.e4 d5 is scandinavian. SPECIFICALLY, I think it's a french urusov gambit, having dabbled with that line a decade ago.
O.K. 2.c4 is a french steiner. ahhh! it's an orthoschnapp gambit! the site i check theory on has never heard of the orthoschnapp.
s-dshubin wrote:
I play the French as both sides and find that my least favorite line to play against as black is the advanced variation. As white however, I play the winawer exchange variation.
I hate the advance AS WHITE! I don't want my own pawn blocking lines into my opponent's castle... like I said, but can't delete this
1983B-Boy wrote:
s-dshubin wrote:
I play the French as both sides and find that my least favorite line to play against as black is the advanced variation. As white however, I play the winawer exchange variation.
I hate the advance AS WHITE! I don't want my own pawn blocking lines into my opponent's castle... like I said, but can't delete this
Hope and pray for a Winawer, then hope and pray for a Poisoned Pawn
well I had to figure it out as i went along in my last french game which was a super rare Mediterranean variation:
but normally, I play the alapin diemer because I already play the gedult BDG against the scandinavian and the 3.Be3 move is SUPER effective against the carokann. I've tried a bunch of different lines against the french, and the AD is what i've had the best results with as it's the ONLY gambit i can get frenchies to accept. no-one wanted to face the monte carlo
it's not purdy... but I take what wins i can get against the french
That "really aggressive variation against the French" is actually a meek Exchange variation, combined with a premature cxd5:
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.c4 Nf6 5.cxd5?! Nxd5 6.Nc3 is the same position as in the game, by transposition. Black played very poorly, and lost quickly, but this has nothing to do with the opening- Black has a great game after 6.d4 Bb4 (one good and entirely logical move out of several).
