bondiggity wrote:
Um 16. Qb4??? and 16...Qxb4?? am I missing something?
The line is supposed to go Qa3 intending Rb5 and then black plays ...Nce7. Then white trades queens or at least allows it.
did I miss something or did I just destroy the French?
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446919 wrote:
If Black castles kingside he gets attacked by a pawn barrage f4-f5 g2-g4-g5 h2-h4-h5 etc
Just look at the theory for 7 f4 and you'll see white doesn't get time for that. In fact, black should delay castling either way for awhile but I don't think you understand the immeidate queenside pressure black can give after 7 f4. I might post the line from my book here so you can see.
Jul 17, 2009
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bondiggity wrote:
Um 16. Qb4??? and 16...Qxb4?? am I missing something?
I don't see how you can be. Clearly the poster missed 16...Nxb4
in my game I missed 15. Qxg7# because it was in my 15 sec analysis - it didn't actually happen in the game. I was only listing possibilities (the main line, including the alternate lines in the move list).
my bad =)
nice theories posted guys!
44619 - 24... Nxg3! in your last post destroys white.
446919 wrote:
Elubas wrote:
446919 wrote:
Elubas wrote:
This is what your plan could lead to.
but f4 isn't a refutation to the french winawer
Whoa! I never said that f4 refuted the winawer. i agree with you that it is not white's best move though it leads to equality. However, the reason why actually contradicts the ...c4 move. Since f4 creates more weaknesses and leavs d4 open to attack, black should attack that square and try to open the c file if the f file opening isn't too dangerous. Why? because when white plays f4 e5 is too hard to undermine so ...f6 and recapturing with the g pawn won't happen since white doesn't need to take on f6 therefore white will have an uncontested space advantage. Compare the other main moves instead of f4 and besisdes Qg4: a4 and Nf3. a4 prevents ...Qa4 while Nf3 supports d4 and develops. Black should therefore try to play on the c file and attack the queenside/center with ...Qa5-a4, taking advantage of the weakness of f4.
Which is the reason white plays a4 keeping the queen out of there
mmmmmmmmmm
Your sac doesn't work because the knight can defend the check and you can't do anything else. That was a mistake.
Jul 18, 2009
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nocornincornok wrote:
When I first saw the topic title "did I miss something or did I just destroy the French?" I was like, didn't everybody destroy the French?
and then I remembered "oh yeah, he's talking about the chess opening"
nice game
P.S. I apologize ahead of time if some random Frenchman reads this and gets offended....
too late 
However, I seldom play the French defence 
im a little bit sleepy now i cant rely to tye topic much but i think black has done something wrong ? maybe i can analize tommorrow he he he
446919 wrote:
Elubas wrote:
446919 wrote:
Elubas wrote:
This is what your plan could lead to.
but f4 isn't a refutation to the french winawer
Whoa! I never said that f4 refuted the winawer. i agree with you that it is not white's best move though it leads to equality. However, the reason why actually contradicts the ...c4 move. Since f4 creates more weaknesses and leavs d4 open to attack, black should attack that square and try to open the c file if the f file opening isn't too dangerous. Why? because when white plays f4 e5 is too hard to undermine so ...f6 and recapturing with the g pawn won't happen since white doesn't need to take on f6 therefore white will have an uncontested space advantage. Compare the other main moves instead of f4 and besisdes Qg4: a4 and Nf3. a4 prevents ...Qa4 while Nf3 supports d4 and develops. Black should therefore try to play on the c file and attack the queenside/center with ...Qa5-a4, taking advantage of the weakness of f4.
Which is the reason white plays a4 keeping the queen out of there
Right but it does have some drawbacks. It wastes a solid tempo and the a4 pawn itself can be attacked when teamed up by the bishop and queen and black indeed plays ...c4. The funny thing is ...c4 is playable in most lines except f4. Now maybe your lines with ...c4 against f4 aren't horrible, but I think we can agree white gets the advantage in those. An early ...cxd4 on the other hand is a good punishment to f4 and I plan on posting the line from my book that shows this.
446919 wrote:
Elubas wrote:
446919 wrote:
Elubas wrote:
446919 wrote:
Elubas wrote:
This is what your plan could lead to.
but f4 isn't a refutation to the french winawer
Whoa! I never said that f4 refuted the winawer. i agree with you that it is not white's best move though it leads to equality. However, the reason why actually contradicts the ...c4 move. Since f4 creates more weaknesses and leavs d4 open to attack, black should attack that square and try to open the c file if the f file opening isn't too dangerous. Why? because when white plays f4 e5 is too hard to undermine so ...f6 and recapturing with the g pawn won't happen since white doesn't need to take on f6 therefore white will have an uncontested space advantage. Compare the other main moves instead of f4 and besisdes Qg4: a4 and Nf3. a4 prevents ...Qa4 while Nf3 supports d4 and develops. Black should therefore try to play on the c file and attack the queenside/center with ...Qa5-a4, taking advantage of the weakness of f4.
Which is the reason white plays a4 keeping the queen out of there
Right but it does have some drawbacks. It wastes a solid tempo and the a4 pawn itself can be attacked when teamed up by the bishop and queen and black indeed plays ...c4. The funny thing is ...c4 is playable in most lines except f4. Now maybe your lines with ...c4 against f4 aren't horrible, but I think we can agree white gets the advantage in those. An early ...cxd4 on the other hand is a good punishment to f4 and I plan on posting the line from my book that shows this.
Sure open up more lines on the queenside wonderful idea... also most of the time the bishop cant take the pawn on a4 because of the pin
I think you are too one sided about where you castle. I'm telling you black goes queenside and kingside both about 50% of the time and it depends a bit on preference but sometimes one side here is much better, particularly like in this line where black wants quick queenside action. After all, white will get a weak c pawn on an open file and plenty of weak squares.
Alright here is the line by IM John Watson:
446919 wrote:
eh the french is a complicated opening (especially the winawer which arouses the most controversy) perhaps you are right i never said you 0-0 was bad I was just saying that c4 isn't necessarily bad. And if your afraid of cramped positions you shouldn't have chosen the french defence!
I'm not afraid of cramped positions, but the line with f4 is too much and worst of all black can never solve it with ...f6 because e5 is not going away and if it does then the knight goes there. Usually ...f6 can relieve some of the cramp but here black has to get quick queenside counterplay since e5 is now solid and because of this c file action f4 doesn't give black problems with equalizing.
shuttlechess92 wrote:
in this game I play Little Chess Partner on Hard and "he" chooses the french defense. After a Bxh7 sacrifice, I am left thinking if he made a mistake, or if the french defense was refuted. Probably the prior is most likely, but still, I had some fun!
Uhm You know you're down one pawn in material and you can't mate him from that position right? He can interfere with the knight. The greek sac doesn't work if the knight is on e7 unless you have a dark squared bishop on a3 to pin it to the king.
I dont think Black is lost yet after the greek sacrifise, 12..f5 might be playable.
in that variation, white is still winning =P
I'm guessing we have a different understanding of the word "winning"
What is your road to win there?
here's my continuation.
The French rules!!!, good posting and interesting dialogue, i plan on learning more about the french and various variations....