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juvefor
Aug 12, 2019
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Hello, guys. I would like you to check out one of my recent games (15/10), where I thought I performed a brilliant tactic (game starts there) to end the game, but computer did not agree with my choice of moves. I am not gonna go in details what his suggestion in this position is, but to me it seems less forcing and unlike here, I dont see a clear win. I realize my opponent did not play this one out perfectly, but it was a tough position to play. 
Anyways I would like some input on whether I should more frequently opt for forcing lines, that are easy to calculate and might bring me only small advantage in comparisson to the correct moves, that might be tough to find and calculate, but would bring bigger reward. How do you approach those questions in rapid games, where you can quickly get in time trouble, if not careful. Appreciate it happy.png

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WSama
Aug 12, 2019
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#2

I'm a little lazy to analyze this deeply, but at a glance it looks like black could defend with 3...Re8, that would nullify white's sacrifice... with white down a pawn. I'm sure somebody else will point out a winning move. Still, lovely attack thumbup.png

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WSama
Aug 12, 2019
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#3

How about 1.Nh4, threatening the queen and trying to wiggle it off the diagonal in order to leave knight on h5 defenseless.

If black plays something like Qg5, then white would play Nxf5, and if black takes back with the bishop then white plays exf5. That way the knight on h5 is still exposed and g4 remains an option.

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juvefor
Aug 12, 2019
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I was thinking that  if black defends with 3...Re8, white would play 4. Qd5 and fork the rook on a8? Or am I missing something obvious here? 

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juvefor
Aug 12, 2019
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1. Nh4 is perfectly ok I guess, but gets me a pawn only, plus it simplifies the position a lot. Also I kind of like his queen on g6 for the time being, since moving black king to h8 is such a threat due to the bishop.

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juvefor
Aug 12, 2019
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I appreciate it the input, though happy.png

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WSama
Aug 12, 2019
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juvefor wrote:

I was thinking that  if black defends with 3...Re8, white would play 4. Qd5 and fork the rook on a8? Or am I missing something obvious here? 

No, I'm the one who missed it. 😅

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Laskersnephew
Aug 12, 2019
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#8

But is that sequence really forcing? In your game, it seems to me 4...Qf6 is really cooperative. I can't see why Black can't play 4...Bxf5 and continue to defend the Nh5. I think the position is just about even. 

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juvefor
Aug 13, 2019
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Laskersnephew wrote:

But is that sequence really forcing? In your game, it seems to me 4...Qf6 is really cooperative. I can't see why Black can't play 4...Bxf5 and continue to defend the Nh5. I think the position is just about even. 

 

Hm... You are probably right. I was thinking that winning the exchange should just be better, but it does look tricky, especially after 5. Bxf5, 5... Rxf5, 6. Rxa8 and 6... Rxf2!

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juvefor
Aug 13, 2019
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ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

"I am not gonna go in details what his suggestion in this position is, but to me it seems less forcing and unlike here, I dont see a clear win."

It would be nice to see the comp's suggestion anyway...

 

  1. exf5Qf6 22. Nh2 Nf4 23. Nxf4 exf4 24. Ng4 Qg5 25. Qf3 Bb7
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Laskersnephew
Aug 13, 2019
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#11

I think--or have been told--that one characteristic of strong players is that they are ruthless about looking for their opponent's best defense. Patzers like us are always looking for ways our tactics will work, so we tend to overlook strong defenses.Masters look for ways that their tactics might fail