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Bongoman2406

Nice! There's many forms of legall's mate, you know. Example:

Boyangzhao

I just posted one of my online games.

Bongoman2406

I bet he didn't know the basic mating pattern!

Boyangzhao

To check out the game in person, click on my online game history, and go to Boyangzhao vs. Oliviari

Till_98

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/more-puzzles/basic-mating-patterns

Bongoman2406

Here's a breaking the pin I played, but it's not a legall's mate



Bongoman2406
Boyangzhao wrote:
 

Nd4 is not a blunder, because after Nxe5, there is dxe5 Qxg4 Nxc2+, forking king and rook. Something like that happened in one of my games:

We both missed the same counter-fork, and so did our opponents

Bongoman2406

Smile

Daybreak57

Actually the trap doesn't work in this case.  After 6. Nxe5 black is suppose to take the knight by dxe5.  Then you would take the bishop, but he will fork you with his knight.  If your opponent thought for a bit he should have been able to see this mate.  This type of tactic you only do when you are playing a low rated player, unless it is in a variation where it is forced.  Usually Legal's mate only works when black wastes time with moves like h6 and a6.  When either knight is developed to the appropriate square it doesn't work, unless you can pin the knight so it can't move.  Obviously you can only pin the f6 knight because if your bishop pinned the knight on c6 the trap would not be setup properly.  I would personally hold off on moving my knight to c3 because like I said this trap only works if your opponent is stupid and does moves like h6 or a6 or both along with d6 and of course the famous Bg4 pin.  There is a variation that exists where instead of moving knight to c3 you just simply push your pawn to d4.  Again this only works if your opponent hasn't seen the traps.  If you get someone rated above 1200 on blitz he probably has seen this stuff before dude.  I personally started playing c3 so I can build a good pawn center, because I know most of the time nothing will work so at least this way I can get a small advantage in the opening.

I've seen a lot of people that are afraid of the kind of tactics that exist with the italian set up just merely move their queen to f6 and later play c6 if white moves his knight to c3 to avoid the infiltration with the knight to the d5 square threating a fork and attack the queen at the same time forcing the queen to move back if he doesn't do a move like c6.  Later they will play h6 to prevent the bishop or knight from getting in there.  This of course creates a weakness if black does castle kingside, however, I've seen people rated only 1300 in blitz and understand this concept and take measures to protect against the common bishop sac on h6.  It often involves trading the light squared bishops first, followed by moving pieces into the defense.  h6 is usually a bad move in theory, but I've seen people turn it into a strong move, dispite all the bad rap it gets.  Maybe if I where higher rated I'd probably be able to do something about it all the time it comes into play but every once in awhile I lose to someone who play's this way when I use my Italian setup.  

Inexorable88

Daybreak is right. The tactic was incorrect. Your development would have been good after the rook loss but it wouldn't be worth it. 

Boyangzhao

I know already. look above the forum

justjoking73

yep

m_connors

After four and a half years of resting in peace, you just had to dig this up?!

modipaduollemmers

Are there any links to games where it happened?

modipaduollemmers

I would like to share  it

modipaduollemmers

with my freinds

modipaduollemmers

so thanks for the help!

modipaduollemmers

if you do help