Give me a break, do you work at lichess or something, besides protecting the "value" of chess.com rating points the only folk that are so abrasive are usually the ones attacking their competitors....
That sentence structure though.
accusations of cheating...
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Feb 19, 2016
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#43
sonofthoughtdancer wrote:
How would providing games happen? You only see the game record, and it doesn't show the time factors....
Give me a break, do you work here or something, because besides protecting the appearence of fair play between players the only the folk that are so touchy are usually protecting themselves... Oh wait I forgot, dimonds get smoother game flow, so much for rating integrity, huh?
Actually, v3 does show the times taken on each move and the site has been tracking it for a while. So, it is easy to see.
And, I'm not employed by chess.com.
Feb 19, 2016
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#44
Lou-for-you wrote:
I had a problem like that. My opponent stopped moving. The clock ran almost out and suddenly the clock times changed and i was the one with no more time. No way this was lag or something..
Its called a flash hack...
http://flashacking.net/forum.php
I get tired of trolls who call the rest of us dumb, or say our IQ's are sub par, simply because we don't know how to prove how we are being wronged. As one poster put it, it is incredibly shameful at the level of some over the net. They'd never have the nerve to try to be so disrespectful with you watching their every move. What little cowards and lying theives they are...
I have been flash hacked. I hope every little weasel and worm here who thinks they are so smart and the rest of us just want and excuse for their losses, gets flash hacked, so they see what it is like to watch their opponent get 2 turns in a row or their clock drained almost instantly...
Feb 19, 2016
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#45
sonofthoughtdancer wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Actually, v3 does show the times taken on each move and the site has been tracking it for a while. So, it is easy to see.
And, I'm not employed by chess.com.
Well my game play back doesn't show time...
Unless you are talking about non blitz...
Your blitz game moves in V3 look thus, with time of each move shown on the right:
The move times have been recorded for many years, at least since 2009 -- see here (V3 required): https://www.chess.com/live/game/2
Feb 19, 2016
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#46
Christopher_Parsons wrote:
Lou-for-you wrote:
I had a problem like that. My opponent stopped moving. The clock ran almost out and suddenly the clock times changed and i was the one with no more time. No way this was lag or something..
Its called a flash hack...
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The site doesn't use Flash for anything but Videos (and maybe some ads on v2) and on v3 doesn't use Flash at all.
Feb 19, 2016
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#47
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Christopher_Parsons wrote:
Lou-for-you wrote:
I had a problem like that. My opponent stopped moving. The clock ran almost out and suddenly the clock times changed and i was the one with no more time. No way this was lag or something..
Its called a flash hack...
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The site doesn't use Flash for anything but Videos (and maybe some ads on v2) and on v3 doesn't use Flash at all.
Before this site changed to V3, I know I was flash hacked at least one time. You can state what you want here, but how else do you explain me losing a turn in chess and my timer being drained almost simultaneously ? Are you insisting your education dictates I imagined it ?
Feb 19, 2016
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#48
All I can say is that Live chess, hasn't been Flash since I've been a member and I don't believe it ever has been.
I assume you also reported such a instance to staff via the ticket system at least?
"Timer drain," based on the description, is a direct symptom of being disconnected and when it reconnects, it has to update the timer to account for the time you were disconnected while it was actually your move.
You might link to the game and explain where you believe you lost your move too.
Feb 19, 2016
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#49
Christopher_Parsons wrote:
Before this site changed to V3, I know I was flash hacked at least one time. You can state what you want here, but how else do you explain me losing a turn in chess and my timer being drained almost simultaneously ?
Christopher, it seems to me that describing the steps that an opponent could do in order to target your computer and cause Flash thereon to misbehave, would go a long way towards convincing skeptics.
Feb 20, 2016
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#50
I haven't run into computer assistance cheating on chess.com, but on GameKnot I have encountered some opponents who played computer-suggested moves exclusively, resulting in my losing the game. It didn't matter much to me, because I am unrated on GameKnot. I just try to shake it off, figuring they must be undeveloped brain brats. I still like GameKnot---How can you police everybody?
Feb 20, 2016
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#51
sonofthoughtdancer wrote:
lol... Report it, i am still laughing...
If what was said happened, really happened the way it was posted there has to be some record of it. Short of a server abort and the loss of a game from the archive, it would be easy enough to look at.
Reports are taken seriously, especially if enough detail is provided to verify. Gut feelings and assumptions may not be enough, but everything I've ever reported has been looked at.
Feb 20, 2016
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#52
Maybe I should report this situation - (see 2 posts prior) I looked at the games of this particular opponent again and except for one move (which was still a good move and relatively high ranked), all the moves were among the top choices of the computer engines or opening book moves.
I lost all the games rapidly.
My first thought is that I will only play this opponent one more time and if the same thing happens I will report my suspicions.
Feb 20, 2016
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#53
Skinnyhorse wrote:
Maybe I should report this situation - (see 2 posts prior) I looked at the games of this particular opponent again and except for one move (which was still a good move and relatively high ranked), all the moves were among the top choices of the computer engines or opening book moves.
Note that the report should be made here (using "Report Abuse"):
https://support.chess.com/customer/portal/emails/new
and not in public forums.
Apologies if you already knew about the above (many people do not).
Feb 20, 2016
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#54
sonofthoughtdancer wrote:
Sure I think every one knows, but it's worth reapting... In all but the most obivious cases, i.e., an admission of guilt, the report is an exercise in futility...
It is what it is, and I ain't one to really gripe about it, but I simply will not allow, whoever, to say it doesn't go on far more than one would expect... Why do you think USCF refuses to sanction tournies here?
The site takes reports seriously and handles it. There is a group you can join and see that the site does close accounts for rules violations. It also has nothing to do with admission.
https://www.chess.com/groups/home/cheating-forum
You are incorrect on your second point. There are 4 USCF rated live tourneys on the site every week.
https://www.chess.com/groups/home/uschess
http://www.uschess.org/msa/AffDtlTnmtHst.php?A6044892
Feb 20, 2016
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#55
LegoPirateSenior wrote:
Christopher_Parsons wrote:
Before this site changed to V3, I know I was flash hacked at least one time. You can state what you want here, but how else do you explain me losing a turn in chess and my timer being drained almost simultaneously ?
Christopher, it seems to me that describing the steps that an opponent could do in order to target your computer and cause Flash thereon to misbehave, would go a long way towards convincing skeptics.
This happened so long ago that, I have no way of knowing the opponent name or whether it was bullet or 3 minute blitz. I would have to have Chess.com go back through an old account that I had, to even try to track down the game. All I can remember at the time was there was a total naivety and denial about it back then. This was before you were made the cheat forum moderator LPS, to put it into perspective.
I have grown tired of arguing whether or not that was possible here at one point, even if it isn't now...
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Live chess, uses Java, does it not ?
Feb 20, 2016
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#56
Live chess uses Javascript, not Java or Flash. When it was first implemented it was still using Javascript (AJAX) and may have had a Java-based back-end. I read some of erik's old posts about it and it mentioned comet and beyeaux protocols, but everything pointed to a Javascript based front-end.
I don't know specifically if the same tech is being used today in v3 but I know neither uses Java or Flash.
Feb 20, 2016
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#57
sonofthoughtdancer wrote:
My mistake on the USCF... That is in the last year... A few years ago, they didn't trust you guys here... That I know...
But the cheating here is still rampart... Maybe you have a good over sight for the Tourneies... I will trust you on that... So do diamond players here get the faster connect time? lol
The other site that has online rated USCF games, started 5 months before here. I don't know the specifics of the negotiations but as of a few years ago they apparently didn't trust any site to run online rated games. Outside of the regular rules they had for online play (such a a proctor or TD at each site to ensure rules were adhered to).
As to better connections, the main difference is no ads, so a little less load there.
Feb 20, 2016
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#58
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Live chess uses Javascript, not Java or Flash. When it was first implemented it was still using Javascript (AJAX) and may have had a Java-based back-end. I read some of erik's old posts about it and it mentioned comet and beyeaux protocols, but everything pointed to a Javascript based front-end.
I don't know specifically if the same tech is being used today in v3 but I know neither uses Java or Flash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xecJpevL-WQ
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/08/how-easy-is-it-to-hack-javascript-in-a-browser/
Feb 20, 2016
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#59
If people were doing this in 2012, injecting things like this into the Javascript....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW1vMXHJdnM
I doubt I am thinking too far outside of the realm of possibility
Feb 20, 2016
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#60
So they changed to C#...not to be out done....
http://www.progamercity.net/ghack-tut/462-c-how-hack-flash-games.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix9pl3lhkCI
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Pre moves cost one tenth of a second, always... I am talking about games where the opponents clock will stay fixed at , e.g., .00'.01.4" ( one second & 4four tenths)for 20 moves...
Care to provide example games where that actually happened? Because the timestamps have been tracked for quite some time now and something like that would stand out.
Any example games should be from after they implemented the 0.1 seconds per move minimum for premoves, which used to take no time and could have resulted in what you mention.
The thing is, the server is the final arbiter of the time. The client may be able to claim a false amount of time taken on the move, short of some mitigation, but it isn't going to allow moves to take no time (with the caveat that it used to allow zero time moves).