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Alex Alekhine vs Paul Morphy
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Alekhine hands down ... He managed to beat one of the "5 greats of chess", Euwe.
camter wrote:
VincentRoberts wrote:
MickinMD wrote:
If Morphy was transported to Alekhine's time, or both were transported to the present at their best, they would use the knowledge of the time, so it's hard to say who would play better. Bobby Fischer knew much more about chess than anyone on these boards and he said Morphy was the greatest ever. Of course, he was a little off his rocker, too.
what do you mean off his rocker?
He, like all the great tragic figures, had a fatal flaw, somewhat akin to the fellow whose Mum forgot to harden his heel as well.
okay
dannyhume wrote:
Alekhine hands down ... He managed to beat one of the "5 greats of chess", Euwe.
what do you mean by that?
There is a fairly recent thread by Vladimirherce-something (I think it was about Morphy) that listed Euwe as one of the 5 greats of chess, along with Wei Yi and some others.
Anyway, if I were gonna accept the challenge of arguing Euwe as one of the "5 greats," it would be on the basis of beating Alekhine who slaughtered most everyone in his day, even Capablanca (from 1927 and on, of course), who in turn slaughtered most everyone in his day. And Euwe was merely a chess hobbyist with a full non-chess career.
"In the late 1980s, I found myself at the opening ceremony of the Verenigde Spaarbank Tournament in Amsterdam, seated at a table with the family of the late Dr. Max Euwe. ... I don't know what possessed me to blurt out ... the tactless view that Euwe was the weakest of the World Champions. ... thankfully his widow burst out laughing and said that, yes, Max used to say exactly the same thing! ... Later, ... I would revise my opinion of the Dutchman's play a notch or two upwards. Although no prodigy, by the mid-1930s, he had clearly established himself as a worthy challenger for the highest title, and there was nothing fortuitous in his eventual defeat of Alekhine. The widespread, disdainful narrative ... that the Russian only lost because he was sozzled, unfairly disparages his fine opponent. Nine years on from this famous upset, Euwe was still in rampant form ..." - GM Nigel Short (2017)
Alcoholic Alex or Sober?
Aljechin was unstoppable without the liquor, so he would prevail.
With the booze, he'd show up half drunk to the games, so Paul Charles would win.
kindaspongey wrote:
"In the late 1980s, I found myself at the opening ceremony of the Verenigde Spaarbank Tournament in Amsterdam, seated at a table with the family of the late Dr. Max Euwe. ... I don't know what possessed me to blurt out ... the tactless view that Euwe was the weakest of the World Champions. ... thankfully his widow burst out laughing and said that, yes, Max used to say exactly the same thing! ... Later, ... I would revise my opinion of the Dutchman's play a notch or two upwards. Although no prodigy, by the mid-1930s, he had clearly established himself as a worthy challenger for the highest title, and there was nothing fortuitous in his eventual defeat of Alekhine. The widespread, disdainful narrative ... that the Russian only lost because he was sozzled, unfairly disparages his fine opponent. Nine years on from this famous upset, Euwe was still in rampant form ..." - GM Nigel Short (2017)
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sea_of_trees wrote:
Alcoholic Alex or Sober?
Aljechin was unstoppable without the liquor, so he would prevail.
With the booze, he'd show up half drunk to the games, so Paul Charles would win.
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VincentRoberts wrote:
sea_of_trees wrote:
Alcoholic Alex or Sober?
Aljechin was unstoppable without the liquor, so he would prevail.
With the booze, he'd show up half drunk to the games, so Paul Charles would win.
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May I help you understand something, sir?
Apparently Vincent Roberts doesnt know how Euwe got to be world champion.
If Morphy was transported to Alekhine's time, or both were transported to the present at their best, they would use the knowledge of the time, so it's hard to say who would play better. Bobby Fischer knew much more about chess than anyone on these boards and he said Morphy was the greatest ever. Of course, he was a little off his rocker, too.
what do you mean off his rocker?
He, like all the great tragic figures, had a fatal flaw, somewhat akin to the fellow whose Mum forgot to harden his heel as well.