Another question about Nimzowitsch's My System

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So I'm confused about a position of a game in "My System" by Nimzowitsch. The game is supposed to be an example of dealing with the free central pawn on d4 (white's move 5). Rather than "restraining" the d pawn, he is directly attacking it with 9... e5!. My question is, why isn't the move 10. d5 a good response? This seems to save the d pawn. Instead, the game ends 10. Qe2 O-O 11. dxe5 Bg4:

 

 

If you have the book, this example is in chapter 1, at the end of section 6.

 



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Aqualung1971 wrote:

It's probably not bad. Black might play ...Ne7, and then later Ne7-c8-d6, blockading the d5 pawn. This pawn obstructs the light square bishop somewhat. Black will probably be able to play around the advanced pawn.

well the entire point of the example was about how black is "executing" the free central d-pawn rather than "retaining" it. So if white can keep this d-pawn without any serious penalties... then I think I'm missing something about the example.

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to me, 10. d5  Nd4 11. Bxd4 exd4 12. Nxd4 Bxd4 13. Qxd4 O-O 14. O-O-O does not seem totally unreasonable, and white has a strong free central pawn.

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After Ne7, with e4 coming, Bxc3 a threat it may be difficult to keep the d pawn.

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Scottrf wrote:

After Ne7, with e4 coming, Bxc3 a threat it may be difficult to keep the d pawn.

so what about 10. d5 Nd4 ?

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Looks bad for black?

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If white takes with 11. Bxd4 first, then he avoids the line you are suggesting.
 
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Do you mean if white does?

You're basically saying if white makes inferior moves black is OK? Well, yeah.

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Scottrf wrote:

Do you mean if white does?

You're basically saying if white makes inferior moves black is OK? Well, yeah.

No I am saying, if white takes on d4 with the knight, he does not allow black to take on c2 with the Bishop. If white makes the superior move then white is ok. 

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But the original question was, what about 10 d5? The game is supposed to be an example of dealing with the free central pawn on d4 (white's move 5). Rather than "restraining" the d pawn, he is directly attacking it with 9... e5!. My question is, why isn't the move 10. d5 a good response? This seems to save the d pawn. 

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He can't take on c2 with the bishop anyway, white is just a pawn up as far as I can see.

After d5 I think it's hard to hold the d pawn.

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Looks like Qe2 already loses it, if not immediately because of the pin threats, after e4.

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D5 seems to be overextending the pawn. The biggest drawback of d5 which I can see id that it blocks the diagonal of your light squared bishop which is an one of whites best pieces. Sorry if this point was made already I didn't read all the replies.