Any Chance Chess960 Replaces Classical Chess

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JuicyJ72

It seems unlikely that Chess960 could replace standard chess if for no other reason that all the people who have titled in the standard game would probably hate to see all those opening lines lost.  OK, not all, just some.  But, if you could start at the beginning wouldn't it make more sense just to randomize the start and play chess?  It might make learning chess harder though Laughing

panandh

Like most of the board games, I prefer chess with standard starting position.

In the highest level, the draw has high percentage of results. In order to avoid repeatition of the games (sometimes the whole game in case of short draw), chess960 was introduced.

I dont think chess960 will be popular in the beginners level, for that matter intermediate level. People from high level may show interest. But marked difference may arise only from highest level of play. (Maybe 2600+ FIDE ratings).

It might be interesting to intermediate players who consistently loose in the opening traps. otherwise I dont think chess960 will be popular.

Torctimes

Chess 960 is an interesting concept, but I liken it to starting an NBA playoff game midway through the third quarter, a World Series game in the sixth or seventh inning, the Super Bowl without the opening kick-off, etc. Of course for lower rated players like myself with a single opening repertoire (playing white at least), it could prove instructional. 

JuicyJ72

You still start from the beginning.  Chess960 just eliminates computer prepared opening lines and forces the player to play chess from move 1.  Look at the World Championship match, Topalov and his team won't even say ow much money they spent just to use an IBM supercomputer to crreate opening lines for him to use. 

panandh
jlueke wrote:

You still start from the beginning.  Chess960 just eliminates computer prepared opening lines and forces the player to play chess from move 1.  Look at the World Championship match, Topalov and his team won't even say ow much money they spent just to use an IBM supercomputer to crreate opening lines for him to use. 


Chess960 was a concept introduced by fischer in the name of fischo random chess. It is nothing to do with computer openings. He saw many high level russian players play a standard line and make a short draw within themselves and conserve energy in a tournament to defeat other strong players in the tournament. The basic idea is to avoid short-draws and not to avoid opening theory as many people think.

JuicyJ72

How would it not avoid opening theory? 

Streptomicin

Opening theory is what creates short-draws. No opening = no short draws.

ivandh

I think it could happen. If chess is ever "solved" then Fischer chess is probably the best candidate to replace it. More near-term it will probably become popular if the trend of quick draws and computer analysis continues.

CerebralAssassin

panandh

Opening theory is not the reason for the introduction of chess960. It is aimed to avoid pre-meditated short draws in tournament to get undue advantage in consumption of energy by some people.

Avoiding the opening theory made chess960 popular. That doesn't mean it is the original intention.

Elubas

I think the standard position is by far the richest opening chess position, better than any 960 position. True, this position is getting played out, but still standard chess would be my clear favorite to play, and 960 I would just play to mix things up once in a while.

Travisjw

Nawh.   960's way less fun than real chess.

TheGrobe

Too many purists, and I don't see that changing.

I've just started to play 960 this month, to a large extent because I just don't have the time to actually work on an opening repertoire and also because I just wanted to try it.  I have to say, I'm enjoying it quite a bit -- I just wish castling worked via mobile chess for 960 games.

OrangeJ

960 is the only way i can beat my friend in chess right now without playing 30+ games. It is a good break from the real starting position and I don't think 960 will replace it any time soon.

MrNimzoIndian

Well I actually like working hard at opening study for normal chess and beating better "natural" players through work in the home laboratory. That's a big part of the fun of chess for me- preparing for battle - making a repertoire of likely responses and trying some of my own prepared novelties. I think part of the appeal of a game standard chess is that for a couple of hours we can exert control on the microverse of the chessboard - something that isn't usually possible in the world at large.

I think Capablanca suggested playing chess with the positions of the knights and bishops reversed. This I do think could be a useful variant as players could then research the positions of this virgin territory and new opening could be explored etc

zankfrappa

I recently posted a similar topic in the "Chess Players" forum titled

"Will Chess960 Or 10x10 Chess Ever Become Really Popular?"

JuicyJ72
panandh wrote:

Opening theory is not the reason for the introduction of chess960. It is aimed to avoid pre-meditated short draws in tournament to get undue advantage in consumption of energy by some people.

Avoiding the opening theory made chess960 popular. That doesn't mean it is the original intention.


 Maybe, but this post is about whether Chess960 will ever replace standard chess mainly because of how openings are played, not a history of Chess960 Tongue out

Meadmaker

I like 960, and it has potential, but I think that if Chess ever becomes so boring at the top levels that people lose interest because it becomes too predictable, it will be replaced by Go or some other game that is more combinatorially complex.