Thanks everyone
My rating is probably between 1700-1850 or 1900, and I'm happy bout that
Thanks for letting me know
Thanks everyone
My rating is probably between 1700-1850 or 1900, and I'm happy bout that
Thanks for letting me know
These responses you are posting — Fide rewards at least 20 for a nearby rating, and for the highest rating 39.8 per win. It makes sense as you only play either 7, 9 or 11 games per tournament of standard time control. Of course, in a month could be more than that, but I'm sure it's never more than how much you could play here. The calculation I gave is absolutely correct, passing through the starting ratings of all 4 chess playing organizers/platforms.
It depends on the K factor. I did more research and apparently the K factor is 40 until a player has played 30 games and then 20 until 2400 after which it is 10. With a K factor of 10, they would gain 5 points, 10 points if K = 20 and 20 points if K = 40. The K factor is also 40 for players of age 18 or less who are under 2300.
The rating floor also recently became 1400 for FIDE ratings as well as ratings being raised as much as 400 points depending on a players rating at the time of the change. That means FIDE ratings will most likely be comparatively higher than both lichess and chesscom ratings under 2400. Which means that a 1950 rapid on chesscom might actually be closer to 2000 FIDE. Anyone who gives anecdotal evidence that their FIDE is a lot lower than their chesscom rating is due to the strength of their local player pool being above the norm because there isn't enough FIDE events against outside competition or because they haven't played many FIDE events since the recent changes.
Well, for a more accurate rating we should check the starting ratings for a beginning player. Before it was 100 FIDE, but today, we can say that—
1200 chess.com = 1500 lichess (according to starting ratings
1200 chess.com/1500 lichess = 1000 FIDE (Previous standard), 1400 FIDE (Today's standard)
So, how do we actually identify? Well, both are the same due to the 400+ adjustment introduced by FIDE in March.
But, as the lichess ratings go higher eg. 2100, Chess.com gets lower.
+2000 = every extra 50 lichess points, difference increases by 25.
eg. 2100 lichess = 1850 chess com.
Through this difference, we can also say —
1950 chess.com = 2150 Lichess = 1900 FIDE.
"1900 FIDE is your estimated score as measured with the same amount of your chess.com games."
The reason for the relationship between lichess and chesscom ratings is because of the rate of change for wins and losses. On this site, you are awarded 8 points for a win against an opponent of the same rating, on lichess you are only awarded 6 points. If you put it on a graph, you'd see that you could predict exactly at what level a player's expected rating on chesscom would surpass their expected lichess rating. Fide awards ~5 points for a win against a similarly rated opponent so I would expect that you would need a 2000 rapid rating on chesscom to be similar to a 1900 fide rating.
But they will win and lose similar amounts. Say plus six for a win and minus six for a loss. It does mean that a Chess.com rating is more volatile than Lichess or FIDE and therefore prone to greater inaccuracy but that inaccuracy can be either way .... up or down.
That only matters given a player maintains a 50% win rate. Say, a player maintains a win rate of 60% against similarly rated opposition. This means over the course of 100 games they will be +20 to the win column. that equates to 100 points fide, 120 points lichess and 160 points on chesscom (not exactly as they would get less rating as their rating goes up and/or their win rate would go down as they faced higher rated opponents but the basic idea stands). Basically, until a player reaches their plateau and hits a 50% win rate, they will settle at a higher rating on chesscom the stronger they are. Fide rating will be the lowest. Lichess is in the middle. The difference in ratings would be more clear cut if each used the same initial rating.
OK that means that a point on Lichess counts 25% more than a point on Chess.com among players who are actually moving their ratings. Doesn't that mean that Chess.com is inflated towards the top and deflated towards the lower values?
Yes, below about 2000-2100 most people's lichess rating will be higher than their chesscom rating but after that it will start to flip.
1950 chess.com rapid is about 1900 FIDE rapid.
It depends on the person some are 2000-2100 some are 1600 is say 1900 rapid is probably closer to 1700-1800
General rule of thumbs:
- Chess.com rating is not determined with the same mathematical formula as FIDE Elo.
- Chess.com rating is (usually) higher than FIDE Elo rating,
- Assuming that you keep playing, by the very nature how it is measured, the chess.com rating will jump around constantly.
- Chess.com rating can be grinded, i.e. you can find a player whom you can dominate more than the rating difference suggest, and then you can get a higher rating that you ought to hacve; FIDE Elo by the way its measured does not allow such tricks.
Therefore, there is no direct correlation of a chess.com rating X to a FIDE Elo rating Y.
The FIDE ELO system uses the Glicko2 algorithm, exactly as Chess.com [Edit: I did some more research after and now know that it doesn't. But the point's not here, as immediately after said]. The point is that you generally play more online games that rated FIDE OTB games so you get higher ratings on Chess.com, especially if you're improving lately (as you have more time/games/chance to gain Chess.com ELO rather than FIDE.).
Chess.com ELO is a legitimate measure of the strength of a player if he/she played a decent amount of games for a given time control (generally Rapid Chess.com performance ELO is the most used one; performance as said on average by the Game Review, which is generally a little too OP so you have to subtract 50-100 ELO to approximate better, again especially if you're improving a lot.).
Other chess sites, like Lichess, use different ELO systems (like Glicko, not Glicko2) that are generally too OP as well as Chess.com Puzzles ELO and are less reliable in direct proportionality (you have to approximate to a linear variation regression line.). But Chess.com Rapid ELO is generally a great measure of <your potential peak ELO without improving (your performance as stated by the engine)> -k*100 (where k differs from one player another based on how much they study, their IQ, and memory.).
All that said, a 1950 Chess.com Rapid ELO player is very likely to be in the range 1900-2150 FIDE ELO (depending one more time on how much <he, she>'s improving.).
Edit afterwards: can you write any reply to this comment with correct information if this is flagged by y'all as "false"? I did some research for 2 to 3 hours and that's what I got. So, if not accurate, just provide the right range (and other info), obviously only if your objection's well-founded. And I hope no one's gonna question the performance part.
Chess.com uses Glicko, not ELO. Glicko isn't mathematically sound, or not as sound as ELO at any rate.
It's used to give an estimate quicker but also it probably only ever gives an estimate!
The FIDE ELO system uses the Glicko2 algorithm, exactly as Chess.com. The point is that you generally play more online games that rated FIDE OTB games so you get higher ratings on Chess.com, especially if you're improving lately (as you have more time/games/chance to gain Chess.com ELO rather than FIDE.).
Chess.com ELO is a legitimate measure of the strength of a player if he/she played a decent amount of games for a given time control (generally Rapid Chess.com performance ELO is the most used one; performance as said on average by the Game Review, which is generally a little too OP so you have to subtract 50-100 ELO to approximate better, again especially if you're improving a lot.).
Other chess sites, like Lichess, use different ELO systems (like Glicko, not Glicko2) that are generally too OP as well as Chess.com Puzzles ELO and are less reliable in direct proportionality (you have to approximate to a linear variation regression line.). But Chess.com Rapid ELO is generally a great measure of <your potential peak ELO without improving (your performance as stated by the engine)> -k*100 (where k differs from one player another based on how much they study, their IQ, and memory.).
All that said, a 1950 Chess.com Rapid ELO player is very likely to be in the range 1900-2150 FIDE ELO (depending one more time on how much <he, she>'s improving.).
I'm? 2200 and I'm 1700 Standard with only 50+ games of play. I don't think it's my suitability of rating because people at my rating are really weak so I think mine should be somewhat nearby 1850 or something. But I don't think that 1950 should be somewhat nearby that. In my ex club there are and used to be 2400s who are 1500 classical (currently). It actually depends upon
1. Number of games you play.
2. Visualization on the board
3. Practice on the board. Without it your rating would be somewhat less than the expected. Remember: Online is 2d while real is 3d.
The FIDE ELO system uses the Glicko2 algorithm, exactly as Chess.com.
The only Chess Federation that uses the Glicko2 system is the Australian one.
I won't comment on the rest of your post, as it is even more false and ridiculous.
The FIDE ELO system uses the Glicko2 algorithm, exactly as Chess.com.
The only Chess Federation that uses the Glicko2 system is the Australian one.
I won't comment on the rest of your post, as it is even more false and ridiculous.
Agreed 👍. The answer is false as well.
I'm? 2200 and I'm 1700 Standard with only 50+ games of play. I don't think it's my suitability of rating because people at my rating are really weak so I think mine should be somewhat nearby 1850 or something. But I don't think that 1950 should be somewhat nearby that. In my ex club there are and used to be 2400s who are 1500 classical (currently). It actually depends upon
1. Number of games you play.
2. Visualization on the board
3. Practice on the board. Without it your rating would be somewhat less than the expected. Remember: Online is 2d while real is 3d.
Of course. "Practice is everything". But I beat almost all 1900 FIDE very easily while I didn't beat any of the 2000 Rapid chess.com players. In my and my chess friends' experience, that are 35 I know in real life and even more on the Internet, that is. So it is more a matter of specific players than all of them; but since I know so much I people I adjusted my reply accordingly. Well, if you don't agree it might just be because of the three things you said either with you or your opponents.
[...] it might just be because of the three things you said either with you or your opponents.
And I'd like to add three other important ones no one can reasonably question: sleep, focus, and tension.
I'm? 2200 and I'm 1700 Standard with only 50+ games of play. I don't think it's my suitability of rating because people at my rating are really weak so I think mine should be somewhat nearby 1850 or something. But I don't think that 1950 should be somewhat nearby that. In my ex club there are and used to be 2400s who are 1500 classical (currently). It actually depends upon
1. Number of games you play.
2. Visualization on the board
3. Practice on the board. Without it your rating would be somewhat less than the expected. Remember: Online is 2d while real is 3d.
Of course. "Practice is everything". But I beat almost all 1900 FIDE very easily while I didn't beat any of the 2000 Rapid chess.com players. In my and my chess friends' experience, that are 35 I know in real life and even more on the Internet, that is. So it is more a matter of specific players than all of them; but since I know so much I people I adjusted my reply accordingly. Well, if you don't agree it might just be because of the three things you said either with you or your opponents.
I have the same issue like 1900, fida I can almost adopt meanwhile random 2000s(keep in mind they were around 2100 rapid online );
The FIDE ELO system uses the Glicko2 algorithm, exactly as Chess.com.
The only Chess Federation that uses the Glicko2 system is the Australian one.
I won't comment on the rest of your post, as it is even more false and ridiculous.
You're right actually about this. I did some more accurate research and asked some CMs and this is right. But you're not at all about the rest of the post. Also any wrong thing does not make the post "ridiculous", because I'm not even trying to troll anyone, and "ridiculous" has a very negative meaning in this context, at the limit with being offensive.
A local guy I've played is 1600-1700 OTB, and 1900-2000 on chess.com rapid.
Looking at OPs games, I'd guess that's about right.
He probably doesn't play a lot OTB, and passes most of its chess time on chess.com. Also, as commonly acknowledged, there is surely more tension during an OTB tournament than when playing online, especially if you're not used to it.
Sure, 10 minutes online and multiple hours OTB are very different games. It's hard to estimate one based on the other.
Daily is also not a good estimate online cause a lot of the elonis based on how many games you play more so than blitz chess
I actually have seen 2000 fida be 2300 daily meanwhile some nms are only 2000-2200 in blitz chess
A local guy I've played is 1600-1700 OTB, and 1900-2000 on chess.com rapid.
Looking at OPs games, I'd guess that's about right.
I'm guessing that if we picked random teams 100 each of Chess.com 2300 bullet and FIDE 1650 classical ratings and made them play a classical controls match, the 1650s would win, maybe quite easily. Surely that's what counts. Not bullet or 3 mins blitz when moving fast is all that counts.
Moving fast isn't exactly everything you can still think every ten seconds in blitz chess bullet maybe it is mouse speed but you can't just hang all your peices more accurately pattern recognition is what counts in blitz and the right tempi or speed of moves
Bullet and blitz isn't just speed
Bullet is speed and keeping peices on the board basically if you make your opponent think you win
But keep in mind it speed isn't the only thing that counts a 1000 that plays faster than a 2000 would still get adopted almost every time
meh.. I'd feel like they'd probably be around 1400 to 1600 FIDE
Look at my bullet ELO. Would you believe me if I said I'm actually over 1600 FIDE? If you play bullet, that doesn't mean you only play it. But if the people in question were to be players who only played bullet for the last months and no analysis or other time controls, you would probably be absolutely right. It depends....
I didn't test it extensively, just one person's game archive, but a few years ago I re-rated somone's chess.com games using Elo to see how it compared, and the ratings were nearly the same.
In any case, if Glicko were "more volatile" then your online rating would be both higher (at its peaks) and lower (at its valleys).
And FWIW, for players who play often, Glicko is less volatile (the RD of very active players makes rating changes smaller). The fact that rating changes are higher for new accounts is a useful feature, not something that indicates inaccuracy. The faster you can move new accounts to their correct rating, the less inflation / deflation will exist in your system.
That isn't what "more volatile" means. Volatility is more like the tendency to abrupt change. What you're describing is the natural effect of wins and losses being credited and debited more, producing a more extended rating range.
The weakness of Glicko lies not in the continual or regular games but in a complete over-reaction to a period of not playing. One could be playing elsewhere so there shoulf be no need to assume that they've had a layoff. It really is nonsense.
Nope, that is what volatility means in this context. Volatility means how much or "far" the data varies from it's average.
Well, for a more accurate rating we should check the starting ratings for a beginning player. Before it was 100 FIDE, but today, we can say that—
1200 chess.com = 1500 lichess (according to starting ratings
1200 chess.com/1500 lichess = 1000 FIDE (Previous standard), 1400 FIDE (Today's standard)
So, how do we actually identify? Well, both are the same due to the 400+ adjustment introduced by FIDE in March.
But, as the lichess ratings go higher eg. 2100, Chess.com gets lower.
+2000 = every extra 50 lichess points, difference increases by 25.
eg. 2100 lichess = 1850 chess com.
Through this difference, we can also say —
1950 chess.com = 2150 Lichess = 1900 FIDE.
"1900 FIDE is your estimated score as measured with the same amount of your chess.com games."
The reason for the relationship between lichess and chesscom ratings is because of the rate of change for wins and losses. On this site, you are awarded 8 points for a win against an opponent of the same rating, on lichess you are only awarded 6 points. If you put it on a graph, you'd see that you could predict exactly at what level a player's expected rating on chesscom would surpass their expected lichess rating. Fide awards ~5 points for a win against a similarly rated opponent so I would expect that you would need a 2000 rapid rating on chesscom to be similar to a 1900 fide rating.
But they will win and lose similar amounts. Say plus six for a win and minus six for a loss. It does mean that a Chess.com rating is more volatile than Lichess or FIDE and therefore prone to greater inaccuracy but that inaccuracy can be either way .... up or down.
That only matters given a player maintains a 50% win rate. Say, a player maintains a win rate of 60% against similarly rated opposition. This means over the course of 100 games they will be +20 to the win column. that equates to 100 points fide, 120 points lichess and 160 points on chesscom (not exactly as they would get less rating as their rating goes up and/or their win rate would go down as they faced higher rated opponents but the basic idea stands). Basically, until a player reaches their plateau and hits a 50% win rate, they will settle at a higher rating on chesscom the stronger they are. Fide rating will be the lowest. Lichess is in the middle. The difference in ratings would be more clear cut if each used the same initial rating.
OK that means that a point on Lichess counts 25% more than a point on Chess.com among players who are actually moving their ratings. Doesn't that mean that Chess.com is inflated towards the top and deflated towards the lower values?
They both are different. As they said, chess.com gives 8 and lichess 6. This means they gain and loose more less by 25%. So...