anyone can be a super GM

superking500

chess study is dominated by the computer....

 

couldn't anyone be a super GM if they study there whole life, computers, books etc.

Queen_of_Knight

I think so.  S'why I tell myself I will one day be a gm, though I just learned the game a year ago.  May be wishful thinking, but I'd like to think it's possible.

ivandh

That's like saying anyone can be a Ph.D. metallurgical engineer.

TheOldReb

If anyone could be a super GM there would be many more of them than there are. 

Queen_of_Knight
ivandh wrote:

That's like saying anyone can be a Ph.D. metallurgical engineer.

no.. it's not.

Queen_of_Knight
Reb wrote:

If anyone could be a super GM there would be many more of them than there are. 

Or.. they never learned the game.  Or never applied themselves.  Or couldn't give a [Watch your language --Mod] less about chess.  Plenty of possibilities other than "they're not cut out for it".

TheOldReb
Queen_of_Knight wrote:
Reb wrote:

If anyone could be a super GM there would be many more of them than there are. 

Or.. they never learned the game.  Or never applied themselves.  Or could give a [] less about chess.  Plenty of possibilities other than "they're not cut out for it".

Is this  kind of language really necessary ?  I dont think it is.  There are people who devote most of their lives to playing chess and trying to get better and yet never even become titled players , let alone a super GM . 

Changu

Anything is possible for christ sake!things may have a low chance of happenin,but they may stil happen.but so many factors.and reb i dnt knw wat u on about,sayin sum piple neva bcum titled,am glad u r.gud 4 u.its jus dat sum piple neva get opportunities like others.queen of knght she is rght..

AlCzervik

Holy cow. In a word. No.

BorgQueen

There really is no substitute for natural talent.

The answer is no. 

Study will make anyone BETTER at chess, but there is absolutely no way that anyone at all can become a GM, let alone a "super GM" whatever that is quantified as.  Most people will never reach a 2000 rating no matter how much they study.

TheOldReb

I would say a " super GM " would be those over 2700 or maybe even higher . 

finalunpurez

How many 2700s are there in the world? Currently there is only 44 people who are 2700 and above. http://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml

So if u do the maths, the percentage of people who are 2700 is not even 0.01% of the whole chess community.

Y_Ddraig_Goch

"Anyone can do it if you just try hard enough" is a nice fairytale to tell to schoolchildren, but it's unfortunately not true. The world is full of examples of people who try and try and try and never make a real success of something.

This is particularly true when you're talking about a competitive endeavour. The problem with becoming a super GM is that you don't just have to reach an objective level of ability - you have to beat other people to do it, and rely on them not putting as much effort into it as you. It's like saying anyone could be an Olympic gold medal 100m sprinter if they tried hard enough - they just can't, because only one person every four years can do it, and you have a very limited amount of time in which to achieve it.

Barring some kind of real impediment, by trying hard you can often at least get pretty darned good at anything, but to reach the very top of any field effort just isn't enough - you need to have some degree of talent and natural aptitude, not least the stomach for dedicating that much of your life to studying chess to the exclusion of a lot of other things.

finalunpurez

THe truth hurts. Just give them the facts and numbers and they will realise how impossible it is. 

TheOldReb

I suppose if I spent more time at the track I could outrun Usain Bolt .... 

 

seidel

it's hard to tell for sure but i think it's possible. But not easy at all even with lots of years. You'll have to study precisely and understand as much as possible from every game you play, you see, any problem you make and all sorts of topics that chess have.

For the ones who says that they are a few so that this is ridiculus, the point it's not how many are there, but how to get there. And i'm pretty sure that every GM practices every day a lot more than any of us do. Even when they were little kids. And also, they trained the patience to do it.

AlCzervik
Reb wrote:

I suppose if I spent more time at the track I could outrun Usain Bolt .... 

 

 

Is your name Ben Johnson?

finalunpurez

It all boils down to who is more talented among the super gms imo.

JG27Pyth

You never hear an actual rated expert, or even a genuine A player talking about how anyone can be a GM. It's always people who haven't actually  accomplished anything claiming to be authorities on the scope of human possibility. 

gaereagdag

I would have to answer "no". GM? Maybe. But superGM? That is an outlier. I also think that creative thinking at speed is what decides games at such an eliote level as that of 2700+ players: IQ and innate intelligence would have to thus come into it.