Does anyone else hate 1.e4 e5?

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i hate d4 d5

it doesnt make me lose interest in watching a d4 d5 game, i just hate playing against the queens gambit
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I don't dislike e4-e5 nearly as much as I do e4-e6.

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gabrielconroy wrote:

I don't dislike e4-e5 nearly as much as I do e4-e6.


 Yes, I hate the french too (not the people)

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HALLOWEEN GAMBIT!!!!!! YUMMYYUMMYYUMMYYUMMYYUMMY!!!!!!!!

 

Everything else kinda sucks. Not that I won't play e4 e5, but there are way cooler openings out there, and king's pawn seems so run-of-the-mill.

 

Oh, and Fried Liver kicks ass as well!

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Chessy4000 wrote:
gabrielconroy wrote:

I don't dislike e4-e5 nearly as much as I do e4-e6.


 Yes, I hate the french too (not the people)


I second this and intensify the hate.

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on line I play e4 & c5 in response, otb though I find the tactics increasingly tough so I also pick c4 being better able to grasp the positions and with less risk of the dreaded flag drop.

currently d4 with white would be a bore for me at least, but things change. 

e4 e5 I would argue is the essence of chess, you may as well visit kfc and ask the diners who hates fast food and finds it dull and boring.

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Someone forgot about Ruy Lopez. It's difficult at first but then becomes highly addictive, because of famous sacrafice at f5. Learn it and feel it. It is secret weapon of master. Understanding of the tension in center is a key step to improvement in chess. Ruy Lopez is the key to glory.

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Some kind of nutter said that the Sicilian 'slowed the game down' compared to 1.e4 e5. Sicilian is the fastest pace opening there is...

Also, if you find the Ruy Lopez boring, it's because you don't understand strategic play. There are very few strong players who find the Ruy boring.

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zxb995511 wrote:
Chessy4000 wrote:
gabrielconroy wrote:

I don't dislike e4-e5 nearly as much as I do e4-e6.


 Yes, I hate the french too (not the people)


I second this and intensify the hate.


 Yeah it's soooo boring.

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AnthonyCG wrote:
Really, Black is in the driver's seat after White picks his opening, since you can pick your defense. There are some spicy gambits you can try like the Traxler Counterattack or the tactical Three Knights Defense. No boring games there.

Actually, I feel quite the opposite. After 1...e5 white can choose : the king's gambit, the Vienna game, The complex ruy lopez, italian game, scotch game, even halloween gambit. In all of those lines black is fighting against white's attempt at initiative and it can take awhile to equalize if at all. The traxler is indeed an aggressive line, but it's unstable and the latvian gambit isn't nearly as tough as the king's gambit. So black is put on the defensive a bit, given some positional and more often material advantages (or white can just play the ruy where black tries to put out any initiative) not that that's bad at all, because black always has a good reply to every white move with ...e5 because it is so sound. But can you really tell me that black is commanding things after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 nc6 3 Bb5, when black had to be ready for many other white moves as well? It doesn't seem that white is under too much pressure, but he's white of course! And he will have more (and better) ways to try to grab the initiative and attack.

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an_arbitrary_name wrote:

I've hated 1.e4 e5 with a passion ever since learning how to play chess. It's so dull and boring. If I'm watching a Grandmaster game and 1.e4 e5 is played, I lose all interest in the game.

If my opponent plays 1.e4, I usually play 1...e6 (the French), but sometimes 1...d5 (the Scandanavian), and occasionally 1...c5 (the Sicilian).

As White I never play 1.e4. Usually it's 1.d4, but sometimes 1.Nf3, and occasionally 1.c4.

1.e4 e5 is a real pet peeve of mine, and I'm curious of whether anyone agrees with me here. :D


Hate is a strong word...its simply a preference.  While i have never opened e4 either, i dont hate it.

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e4 e5 is OK, but requires way too much theory to play.  The payoffs aren't very good either.

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Personally, when I'm white, its very common that I play e4. I find that it provides a very strong foundation. However, as black, I usually prefer to play the sicilian after e4. The sicilian defense really spices things up.

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AtahanT wrote:
zxb995511 wrote:
Chessy4000 wrote:
gabrielconroy wrote:

I don't dislike e4-e5 nearly as much as I do e4-e6.


 Yes, I hate the french too (not the people)


I second this and intensify the hate.


 Yeah it's soooo boring.


Cmon guys, I bet you just haven't looked into the ideas enough.

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Sorry Elubas, I dislike the French also, and I believe I have looked into the ideas sufficiently.

But to the matter at hand. I love 1. e4 e5. It allows the Italian Game and the Bishop's Opening! Wink

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Nytik wrote:

Sorry Elubas, I dislike the French also, and I believe I have looked into the ideas sufficiently.

But to the matter at hand. I love 1. e4 e5. It allows the Italian Game and the Bishop's Opening!


I believe you, but once I found the very ignorant question "Isn't this just a bad version of the caro kann?" and it really annoyed me lol. So some people will judge it without knowing it.

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The French is fun to shred.

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Elubas wrote:

I believe you, but once I found the very ignorant question "Isn't this just a bad version of the caro kann?" and it really annoyed me lol. So some people will judge it without knowing it.


 It's hard to find an inferior Caro-Kann, it's already practically a forced loss... and this is from someone who's started playing it as their primary defence against e4.

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mowque wrote:

The French is fun to shred.


Haha, people think they will crush the french whenever they face it as if there is some refutation.  I personally have done the opposite but rather positionally (for example, many people facing the french who don't know how to play against it often end up completely losing their center). "It must be bad, since early castling often gets mated in 5 by the greek gift sac!" Nah, it's ok to hate the french, but not to judge it without knowing anything about it. Let's face it, who has ever liked the french when first playing chess? Not even me.

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Nytik wrote:
Elubas wrote:

I believe you, but once I found the very ignorant question "Isn't this just a bad version of the caro kann?" and it really annoyed me lol. So some people will judge it without knowing it.


 It's hard to find an inferior Caro-Kann, it's already practically a forced loss... and this is from someone who's started playing it as their primary defence against e4.


lol the caro kann or the french? Now the Winawer variation is considered suspect sometimes, but I don't think this is true. White probably gets a slight edge, but it's very complex in all ways and far from a forced loss, despite the computer evaluations.