Does anyone else hate 1.e4 e5?

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The Ruy Lopez has lines like the Marshall's attack, the Schliemman's gambit, the Arkangelesk etc. I dont think the standard Lopez is boring either but if you think so u can choose other lines. Don't blame the openings for your own lack of imagination.

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Atos wrote:

The Ruy Lopez has lines like the Marshall's attack, the Schliemman's gambit, the Arkangelesk etc. I dont think the standard Lopez is boring either but if you think so u can choose other lines. Don't blame the openings for your own lack of imagination.


Well said.

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playin e4e5 is key to building chess skils

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And you're probably somewhat weaker than you could be as a result.

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marvellosity wrote:

And you're probably somewhat weaker than you could be as a result.


eh, unlike some other openings like the ruy, I don't think you need to play 1...e5 as black to get much better. Something like 1...c6 helps you learn about solid openings just as much. Well, it did for me lol.

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I dont really like e4 e5. Ruy Lopez for white though if I did play e4.

There is a small trap which is good for black in e4 e5 though.

 

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Elubas wrote:
marvellosity wrote:

And you're probably somewhat weaker than you could be as a result.


eh, unlike some other openings like the ruy, I don't think you need to play 1...e5 as black to get much better. Something like 1...c6 helps you learn about solid openings just as much. Well, it did for me lol.


Can't get the Ruy without ...e5, no? :D

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this is a basic e4 sequence

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  "1.e4 best by test"......Robert Fischer

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That is also my pet peeve. I get annoyed at the Ruy and Italian quite often. Usually, I like playing semi-open/semi-closed games. When I'm white and confronted with e5, I usually play the Ruy, which I have to play a lot, or the KG, which is fun and gets me wins in less than 20 moves. (Btw, how do I post my games so other people can see them?)

I try to avoid e4 e5 as black too. My main defense is the French, although I work on my Sicilian Dragon/Accelerated time to time, and the Scandanavian-Icelandic Gambit as a surprise.

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Something is wrong with this sequence.

To the previous post, 1. ...e5 is a very different reply to 1.e4 from say Caro Kann. With 1. ...e5 the black needs to be prepared to play either a positional game or a tactical game as the circumstances allow or dictate. He / she might find themselves on the attack or on the defence at almost any time. (King's gambit is a case in point the Black has at least as much attacking chances as the White.) That should be good for your chess I think. You might have become a pretty good player despite of not having studied it seriously, but despite is not because.

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Oh ok, thanks.

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This was one of the games I had with the KG. He made a few errors though. Very fun and dynamic, excellent against e5 :)
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1.c4!

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Against 1. e4 I used to play Sicilian Defense as Black and then moved on to French Defense. But in recent years I have returned to 1. ...e5. I have found it leads to rich games. If White tries Guico Piano, I play Two Knight's Defense, which gives Black strong play if White tries 5. Ng5, which he usually does. If he plays Ruy Lopez, I play the Open Defense, which gives Black counterattacking chances. The only king pawn opening I hate as being dull is the Four Knight's Game. I have never figured out what to do with that.

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No, I like it.  But 1. e4, d5 really gets on my nerves.

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DMX21x1 wrote:

No, I like it.  But 1. e4, d5 really gets on my nerves.


 1.e4 d5 2 d4!?

watch the wheels come off, more often than not.

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Well in my opinion complicated doesn't necessarily equal fun, as finding the right move can be tediously difficult and hurt your brain, and that's even with an analysis board. Because I find 1 d4 more interesting yet it's considered the boring opening. And of course e4 e5 is infamous for lower rated players developing straightofrward and get into a truly boring position with no imbalances. Also black can sometimes be without any active play.

"To the previous post, 1. ...e5 is a very different reply to 1.e4 from say Caro Kann. With 1. ...e5 the black needs to be prepared to play either a positional game or a tactical game as the circumstances allow or dictate."

I agree. I think 1...e5 stylistically is different in a bad way for me. Not only does he often have to dance to the tune, but he has to be ready for so many possible attmepts by white that often complicate the game. The scotch, ruy, king's gambit, and tons more all need to be known by black and it's quite possible an opening geek has studied one particular line of 1 e4 e5 for over 20 moves and they'll pretty much always get what they want as black doesn't have many options after 2 Nf3 and if white is playing a KG then obviously ...e5 walked into that. I personally think the queen's gambit is more instructive for both sides (I like the ruy for white though) on how they expand and how black often needs to dismantle his d5 pawn at the right time. 1 e4 e5 generally pushes through d4 more forcefully often as a gambit when it's not so much an advanced plan but for the sake of opening the center and from there it's mostly just complicated tactics that matter. I think openings are good for teaching strategy and for tactics I do other things.

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As white, I will be extremely pleased to see e4 e5, since I like the Spanish game. It allows me to get into the game as quickly as possible. However, on black's side, if I see e4, I will go for the Sicilian. It provides great defense and I've been using it a lot recently.

The defenses I don't like are the King's and Queen's Indian. Moving the fianchettoed bishop away actually, for me, leaves the king quite undefended. This came from experience.

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The Petrov!  1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6!  You attack me, I attack you!

The Ruy Lopez!  The moves just roll off for both sides! 1. e4 e5: claiming an equal share of the center 2. Nf3 Nc6: attacking and defending the e5 pawn 3. Bb5 a6: weakening the grip on e5's defence and in turn forcing a choice!  Easy lines to learn, love and play at any level! 

If you dislike the many variations of the Sicilian play the grand prix or a c3 line as white.

Though there is nothing wrong with 1. d4! either as some players styles do not fit with the positions after 1. e4 e5.  In the end if you enjoy playing that is all that matters!