Are all chess players unathletic?

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Gottcha111

I am a head wrestling coach with over 35 years of competing and coaching. I can run a half marathon in 1:54. My body fat % is 11%.

pt22064

To reach any meaningful conclusion or even analyze the issue in a rigorous, scientific manner, one must first define "athleticism" or "fitness" quantitaively.  In other words, one must define fitness using a scalar measure (such as BMI, body fat percentage, or some physical performance test such as weight benched or speed in running a fixed distance). 

Next, one would need to define what an average chess player is or even what is meant by the term "chess player."  For example, if the term "chess player" includes anyone who knows the rules of the game and has played at least one game of chess, I suspect that the average fitness of that group is likely no different than the average fitness of the population at large.

In my view, a serious chess player is someone who devotes significant time to playing chess, studying chess and training in chess.  I would define a true chess player as someone who spends at least 10-20 hours per week on chess-related activities.  (Notably, under my own definition of a serious chess player, I am not a "chess player.")

Although I do not have any data to support my hypothesis, I would posit that the average "serious" chess player is less fit, on average, than the average person in the population at large (even after taking into consideration that the average person is not particularly fit).  My rationale for this is that if someone spends 20 hours of week on chess on top of work, school, life activities, this does not leave a lot of time for exercising or physical activity generally.  My only evidence to support my theory is based on anecdotal evidence, i.e., my personal observations of high level (e.g., GMs, FIDE Masters) chess players at USCF tournaments.  Even after factoring in age, the tournament chess players (in the Open bracket) seem relatively unfit (at least based on purely visual inspection).

Of course, there may be subpopulations of chess players who are more fit.  For example, so-called Super GMs appear to be slightly more fit than the population at large.  This could be because their coaches and advisors have stressed physical conditioning as part of their training regimens.  This could also be because they can make enough money from playing tournaments and making appearances at events that they do not need a "real" job to support themselves.  Or it could simply be that they are financaily successful enough to have a better diet and live a better lifestyle than the average person.

Nudelauflauf9F

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Justs99171
PolarBearAttakk wrote:

I'm 6'5" and a 235 lbs powerlifter. Also 2411 rated. So much for your theory.

 

Thank you! I'm really fed up with the ignorant $h!t.

The most activated organ during any exercise is the brain - FACT!

If one's nervous system doesn't work, nothing works.

When I was a freshmen in high school, all I did was study chess.

My sophomore year, I went back to playing basketball, ran cross country, quit studying and practicing (because I had no time) but I still competed in the weekend chess tournaments. My rating went up 200 points from not studying and playing basketball instead.

Professional chess players work out like professional athletes and have been doing so for over 100 years.

WilliamJohnB

I'm a pretty strong chess player (~2100 OTB USCF Standard, 2000+ OTB FIDE Blitz, ~2300 Chess.com Blitz).  But I am not, by any means, unathletic.  My current body fat is under 15%, my fastest mile run is about 6:20 (I can still run a mile in under 7 minutes despite being relatively inactive due to lack of accessibility to indoor tracks in my area due to COVID), and I can do 40+ consecutive push-ups at once.

Steven-ODonoghue

A rating of 1681 (top 1.9 percent) suggests chromosome deficiency? You seem to severely misunderstand the chess rating system as well as the human body. But it's ok, I'm here to help you.

Steven-ODonoghue
PolarBearAttakk wrote:
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
PolarBearAttakk wrote:                                               
 A rating so low it suggests chromosome-deficiency

A rating of 1681 (top 1.9 percent) suggests chromosome deficiency? You seem to severely misunderstand the chess rating system as well as the human body. But it's ok, I'm here to help you.

1600 is nowhere near top 2%. That's below average. I'm not surprised you're too stupid to be able to figure out on your own that the stats here are rubbish because of so many dead accounts with sub 1000 ratings diluting things. Just like everything else, you need someone to hold your hand and explain everything to you.

And stop obsessing over my "nose", tootie fruitie!

Chess.com provides a percentile stat, try reading, tootie fruitie wink.png. A rating of 1681 is top 1.9%. If you do not believe these statistics are correct you must take this matter up with the chess.com staff. Making assumptions regarding my sexuality does not compensate for your illiteracy 

Steven-ODonoghue

Proving once again that you are ignorant and clueless regarding the rating system. Seriously, you would expect a 2200 player to know better *sigh*.

"Dead" accounts are not counted in the percentile stats - that should be obvious. But time and time again you chose to argue about things of which you are clueless about and then call whomever points out your incompetence gay. childish behaviour

Steven-ODonoghue

Run into a lackey loser in a thread, you ran into a lackey loser. 

Run into lackey losers all over chess.com, and you are the lackey loser.

Take a step back Polar bear and acknowledge your own Narcisistic attention seeking behaviour

LeeEuler
PolarBearAttakk wrote:

I'm 6'5" and a 235 lbs powerlifter. Also 2411 rated. So much for your theory.

@PolarBearAttakk Out of curiosity, what are your splits? 235 seems on the lighter end to be competitive at your (and incidentally my) height. But I got into PL late, playing team sports and running long distance throughout highschool and uni

Steven-ODonoghue

 You're 2400? LOL. Incorrect. you are 1800 OTB. Online bullet is not a chess rating, only children estimate their strength based on random online speed games. 

I'm not strong enough worth playing? That's odd, seeing as you've played dozens of games against weaker players, and since I'm only 100 points weaker than you it means I have a 36% estimated score vs you. Once again you insist on arguing with established maths. 

Strangemover

LeeEuler

Similar to you, I was not super competitive but did manage a 38min 10k and 3hr marathon at 200 lbs.

Since moving on and getting more into powerlifting, my problem is that I just can't force myself to eat enough. But like you said it's just more fun than many other forms of training, I'm not expecting to be competitive either

Steven-ODonoghue

I've seen your FIDE, you are 1800. I've seen your blitz, you are 2200. Those are the two best estimates of your strength. I suppose since I got a rating of 2500 in table tennis on the WII then I must be a grandmaster chess player right? 

Justs99171
PolarBearAttakk wrote:
Justs99171 wrote:
PolarBearAttakk wrote:

I'm 6'5" and a 235 lbs powerlifter. Also 2411 rated. So much for your theory.

 

Thank you! I'm really fed up with the ignorant $h!t.

The most activated organ during any exercise is the brain - FACT!

If one's nervous system doesn't work, nothing works.

When I was a freshmen in high school, all I did was study chess.

My sophomore year, I went back to playing basketball, ran cross country, quit studying and practicing (because I had no time) but I still competed in the weekend chess tournaments. My rating went up 200 points from not studying and playing basketball instead.

Professional chess players work out like professional athletes and have been doing so for over 100 years.

Well said! I completely believe your significant improvement in results from improving your physical fitness and can relate. When I get lazy and start to get out of shape physically, I can't maintain concentration for as long as before and start to play badly due to fatigue.

The audience laughed at Bobby Fischer when he was on the Dick Cavette show and said that he played sports mainly to help his chess. But now all the top players take exercise seriously. Fischer was ahead of his time.

 

Fischer wasn't ahead of his time. It was said that Capablanca could have played pro tennis if he wanted to. Botvinnik advocated staying in shape. One witness even claimed he could still run at a very athletic pace well into his years.

Kasparov was extremely athletic.

Carlsen is reasonably athletic.

Fischer wasn't doing anything novel for his time. It just wasn't consistent with the stereotype.

Non-athletic world chess champions were few and far between.

J-MAN2008

I wouldn’t say all chess players are unathletic, I play chess, but i also play soccer. I wouldn’t say I’m good at chess though.

J-MAN2008

Wait what, what does that have to do with this

J-MAN2008

The topic is Are all chess players aunathletic

Strangemover

Involuntary celibate

zora_carter

i lift weights, jog 5k three times a week and roller skate every night.