are bishops better than knights?

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llamonade
LittleLadyGreatHorns wrote:
llamonade wrote:
16characterslong wrote:

In my opinion, the superiority of bishops realizes itself statistically rather than on the board.

Two bishops can out muscle a knight and bishop, but you'll basically never see someone U2200 with enough technique to pull it off.

That isn't always true

Yeah I was going to edit it to say "in some positions" but you replied really fast happy.png

llamonade

An old joke is something like, whenever you see an analyst describe a position as "unclear" or "with complications" or "beyond the scope of this book" then it's code for "I don't understand the position" heh.

And sure, it's definitely not very instructive to say "it depends on the position"

But sometimes (actually almost all the time) it really is beyond the scope of a simple forum post.

To properly learn how to handle two bishops, or bishop vs knight, you'd need at least something as thick as a book. 100s of pages, at least 100 example games, lots of analysis, and the person would have to take a few hours a day for a few months go over it all, then try applying it in games, fail, analyze those games, etc.

A simple forum post is never going to explain a topic people write entire books over.

And in any case "bishop vs knight" is more of a troll topic (or a topic posted by a total beginner).

llamonade

Oh wait you're a goofy 1 day old account. I guess I get caught by 1 in 10 tongue.png

llamonade

Maybe you're a legit account, I haven't totally decided you're bad happy.png

But we get a lot of that here, 1 day old accounts that do goofy stuff, just saying.

SujanShadrak

well... this has become a long discussion hasn't it?

SujanShadrak
llamonade wrote:

An old joke is something like, whenever you see an analyst describe a position as "unclear" or "with complications" or "beyond the scope of this book" then it's code for "I don't understand the position" heh.

And sure, it's definitely not very instructive to say "it depends on the position"

But sometimes (actually almost all the time) it really is beyond the scope of a simple forum post.

To properly learn how to handle two bishops, or bishop vs knight, you'd need at least something as thick as a book. 100s of pages, at least 100 example games, lots of analysis, and the person would have to take a few hours a day for a few months go over it all, then try applying it in games, fail, analyze those games, etc.

A simple forum post is never going to explain a topic people write entire books over.

And in any case "bishop vs knight" is more of a troll topic (or a topic posted by a total beginner).

excuse me. bishop vs knight is a SERIOUS QUESTION TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. I AM NOT TRYING TO TROLL WHEN POSTING THIS COMMENT NEITHER AM I A "TOTAL BEGINNER" "A SIMPLE FORUM" POST COULD NOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BUT LEAD PEOPLE AND OPEN UP THEIR MINDS TO DIFFERENT THOUGHTS ON THIS TOPIC.

DreamPuff428
Bishops are way powerful, but knights have a more complicated move. I prefer bishop, but there are some cases when the knight truly saves the day.
SujanShadrak
DreamPuff428 wrote:
Bishops are way powerful, but knights have a more complicated move. I prefer bishop, but there are some cases when the knight truly saves the day.

YES I THINK IT TRULY DEPENDS ON THE PLACEMENT OF YOUR PIECES AND HOW THE GAME IS GOING. SOME GAMES THE BISHOP CAN BE THE MOST HELPFUL SOME THE KNIGHT!!!!

1e4-2Nf3isbest

Bishop: long range

piece Knights: can go on two kinds of squares. Bishops by a tad

SujanShadrak

YEP

hausaman

In my experience, I have found that if my opponents have only one bishop to support their rook or queen in the endgame, I usually do better against them. I do not like facing an opponent who has two bishops plus a rook or queen in the endgame. That tends to get difficult to deal with. If I end up with one bishop against knights or even against one knight, I feel somewhat crippled in the endgame. Of course, as many have said, it depends on circumstances, numbers and positioning of pawns, etc.

SujanShadrak
hausaman wrote:

In my experience, I have found that if my opponents have only one bishop to support their rook or queen in the endgame, I usually do better against them. I do not like facing an opponent who has two bishops plus a rook or queen in the endgame. That tends to get difficult to deal with. If I end up with one bishop against knights or even against one knight, I feel somewhat crippled in the endgame. Of course, as many have said, it depends on circumstances, numbers and positioning of pawns, etc.

OK

ChessFreak2020

Depends on the position

1e4-2Nf3isbest

My latest win came against an annoying bishop pair

ClausCanddie

horsey*

Jason169

KNIGHTS RULES!!!!!!!!

Jason169

This is a mad up game. A Queen can hardly, and only hardly, draw Knights.

Jason169
TheUncannyChessMen wrote:

Knights are always better. Bishop fanboys can't admit it.

I said KNIGHTS RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SujanShadrak

woah 20 days ago was the last activity

Basment-Kitteh
SujanShadrak wrote:

What do you think???

sometimes