At what elo are you no longer a bad player?

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Ziryab
MatthewFreitag wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
MatthewFreitag wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
forked_again wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

I know I'm not very good at chess, even though at blitz I seem to be better than 97.9% of people here.

If 97th percentile is not very good, then...

Golfing with a 1 to 2 stroke handicap is not very good.

Running a 3:07 marathon is not very good (men under 30)

A double bodyweight bench press is not very good.  

62 push ups is not very good

A 128 IQ is not very good

A salary of $200, 000/yr in the US is not very good.  

All the above are approximately 97th percentile values. 

 

 

Chess.com's percentile rankings are skewed somehow. My USCF percentile of slightly over 90 seems more realistic.


The sort of person who goes to a chess tournament is different from the sort of person who makes an online chess account.

 

 

Reinforcing that a 97th percentile score in meaningless on a website.

What I meant was he is 97th percentile among casual chess players. I believe the people who are unable to checkmate on this site are balanced out by the people who are gms.

The average player who goes to a tournament for chess is a serious player. They probably have a couple chess books, know a solid amount of opening theory, etc.

So while I would not say it's "meaningless" I would say it's not as significant as being 97th percentile USCF

 

Yes. We are in agreement.

spartakbarnsley
Ziryab wrote:
forked_again wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

I know I'm not very good at chess, even though at blitz I seem to be better than 97.9% of people here.

If 97th percentile is not very good, then...

Golfing with a 1 to 2 stroke handicap is not very good.

Running a 3:07 marathon is not very good (men under 30)

A double bodyweight bench press is not very good.  

62 push ups is not very good

A 128 IQ is not very good

A salary of $200, 000/yr in the US is not very good.  

All the above are approximately 97th percentile values. 

 

 

Chess.com's percentile rankings are skewed somehow. My USCF percentile of slightly over 90 seems more realistic.


 

They're not always skewed upwards though. There are titled players on here whose ratings are clearly below their FIDE rating, which can indeed be verified through open sources on the Internet. Maybe they use their daily / blitz games on here for training purposes. Maybe they play them blindfolded. I have no idea. But I there is an IM I played on here who is around 1970 in daily, but he's FIDE 2477, just to give an example, and it's far from the only case of this I've seen. 

hikarunaku
JayeshSinhaChess wrote:

What is the point at which you are no longer a chess muppet. You could still lose to better players, but so will everyone.

 

Is it 800, 1200, 1500, 2000?

Depends on who you ask but objectively,everyone who is average or above average tournament player is not a bad player. In terms of rating ,the lower end would equate to around 1500-1700 depending on the country you play in.

MatthewFreitag
spartakbarnsley wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
forked_again wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

I know I'm not very good at chess, even though at blitz I seem to be better than 97.9% of people here.

If 97th percentile is not very good, then...

Golfing with a 1 to 2 stroke handicap is not very good.

Running a 3:07 marathon is not very good (men under 30)

A double bodyweight bench press is not very good.  

62 push ups is not very good

A 128 IQ is not very good

A salary of $200, 000/yr in the US is not very good.  

All the above are approximately 97th percentile values. 

 

 

Chess.com's percentile rankings are skewed somehow. My USCF percentile of slightly over 90 seems more realistic.


 

They're not always skewed upwards though. There are titled players on here whose ratings are clearly below their FIDE rating, which can indeed be verified through open sources on the Internet. Maybe they use their daily / blitz games on here for training purposes. Maybe they play them blindfolded. I have no idea. But I there is an IM I played on here who is around 1970 in daily, but he's FIDE 2477, just to give an example, and it's far from the only case of this I've seen. 

I know for myself I use blitz for messing around, and use rapid for serious practice.

I'm guessing that's what high rated people do.

BK201YI

Many high rated people don't play rapid... Because of all the Cheating. 

CavalryFC

JayeshSinhaChess wrote:

What is the point at which you are no longer a chess muppet. You could still lose to better players, but so will everyone.

 

Is it 800, 1200, 1500, 2000?

I'm a chess Muppet and anyone I can reach seem to be muppets so my guess is 1800 is the end of muppetry. 2000 is good and 2200 is master.

MickinMD

The standard that says "I know the basics of opening and endgame principles, tactics, and strategy," has generally been 1200.  I've coached high school players and I'd say 1100 OTB means a solid player who has enough skill to occasionally beat much better players.

blueemu
CavalryFC wrote: I'm a chess Muppet and anyone I can reach seem to be muppets so my guess is 1800 is the end of muppetry. 2000 is good and 2200 is master.

Some of us high-rated players consider ourselves to be dreadfully bad chess players.

forked_again
MatthewFreitag wrote:
spartakbarnsley wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
forked_again wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

I know I'm not very good at chess, even though at blitz I seem to be better than 97.9% of people here.

If 97th percentile is not very good, then...

Golfing with a 1 to 2 stroke handicap is not very good.

Running a 3:07 marathon is not very good (men under 30)

A double bodyweight bench press is not very good.  

62 push ups is not very good

A 128 IQ is not very good

A salary of $200, 000/yr in the US is not very good.  

All the above are approximately 97th percentile values. 

 

 

Chess.com's percentile rankings are skewed somehow. My USCF percentile of slightly over 90 seems more realistic.


 

They're not always skewed upwards though. There are titled players on here whose ratings are clearly below their FIDE rating, which can indeed be verified through open sources on the Internet. Maybe they use their daily / blitz games on here for training purposes. Maybe they play them blindfolded. I have no idea. But I there is an IM I played on here who is around 1970 in daily, but he's FIDE 2477, just to give an example, and it's far from the only case of this I've seen. 

I know for myself I use blitz for messing around, and use rapid for serious practice.

I'm guessing that's what high rated people do.

Me too, but I'm not high rated.  

Ziryab
MickinMD wrote:

The standard that says "I know the basics of opening and endgame principles, tactics, and strategy," has generally been 1200.  I've coached high school players and I'd say 1100 OTB means a solid player who has enough skill to occasionally beat much better players.

 

It is a rare player under 1500 who will create the correct plan for White in this ending, and not many below 1800 will execute it correctly even after finding the correct plan.


I was 1700 on the best online playing site in 2006 when I created the right plan and then blew the ending in this game.

CavalryFC

blueemu wrote:

CavalryFC wrote: I'm a chess Muppet and anyone I can reach seem to be muppets so my guess is 1800 is the end of muppetry. 2000 is good and 2200 is master.

Some of us high-rated players consider ourselves to be dreadfully bad chess players.

I totally get that actually. It's one reason I think these topics are kind of dumb. I've been told that master is like a black belt. It's where real chess begins.

pdve
Ziryab wrote:
MickinMD wrote:

The standard that says "I know the basics of opening and endgame principles, tactics, and strategy," has generally been 1200.  I've coached high school players and I'd say 1100 OTB means a solid player who has enough skill to occasionally beat much better players.

 

It is a rare player under 1500 who will create the correct plan for White in this ending, and not many below 1800 will execute it correctly even after finding the correct plan.


I was 1700 on the best online playing site in 2006 when I created the right plan and then blew the ending in this game.

ISn't it possible to walk with the king to the queenside and start grabbing pawns there. Black has no moves at his disposal other than Rf6 and then back to Rf7. He connot move the bishop or the king. He cannot move the rook from the f file. Even if black gives a few spite checks when the king tries to cross the e-file black will have to eventually return his rook to the f file and then he will be in semi zugzwang again just as in the starting position.

pdve

the only way he can get out of this is by sacrificing a pawn with g5 but then that extra pawn can matter for white.

IMKeto

I peaked as a uscf a player, and consider my chess abilities nothing special.

pdve
MMTMIT wrote:

Humanity is toxic. Prove me wrong.

Non sequitur.

Ziryab
pdve wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
MickinMD wrote:

The standard that says "I know the basics of opening and endgame principles, tactics, and strategy," has generally been 1200.  I've coached high school players and I'd say 1100 OTB means a solid player who has enough skill to occasionally beat much better players.

 

It is a rare player under 1500 who will create the correct plan for White in this ending, and not many below 1800 will execute it correctly even after finding the correct plan.


I was 1700 on the best online playing site in 2006 when I created the right plan and then blew the ending in this game.

ISn't it possible to walk with the king to the queenside and start grabbing pawns there. Black has no moves at his disposal other than Rf6 and then back to Rf7. He connot move the bishop or the king. He cannot move the rook from the f file. Even if black gives a few spite checks when the king tries to cross the e-file black will have to eventually return his rook to the f file and then he will be in semi zugzwang again just as in the starting position.

 

Yes, that's the basic idea, which I understood at the time. But White also can improve matters on the kingside first.

Spicyvoncatersmirts
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BonTheCat

Not a chance that the gap between 2200 and 2500 is greater than the gap between 0 and 2200. A player rated E1800-E2000 stands a decent chance of gaining a draw against a GM of E2500 (I defeated an IM when I was rated around E1800.) Magnus Carlsen was nearly E2700 when he dropped a draw against an amateur rated about E2050.

forked_again
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GM Tukhaev Adam 2556 0 1 - 0 0 GM Carlsen Magnus 2903
 
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The last King Salman Rapid championship round 1 Carlsen (2903) loses to Tukhaev (2556)!

spartakbarnsley
BonTheCat wrote:

Not a chance that the gap between 2200 and 2500 is greater than the gap between 0 and 2200. A player rated E1800-E2000 stands a decent chance of gaining a draw against a GM of E2500 (I defeated an IM when I was rated around E1800.) Magnus Carlsen was nearly E2700 when he dropped a draw against an amateur rated about E2050.

 

Agreed. I've drawn with a 2477 IM. I have absolutely no doubt that  I was taking the game a lot more seriously than him, and that 9 times out of 10, he would beat me comfortably. And, I guess in at least six of the games, the defeat would be pretty crushing. But if someone of that level gives a competent amateur chances, they can easily be punished. On the other hand a decent amateur can play a beginner without their queen, and still win quite comfortably.