Being A More Threatening Person

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Musikamole

"6. Play agressive and sacrifice alot of pieces...even if they arent sound moves."

I wouldn't need to read my chess books anymore. Funny stuff. Thanks. Laughing

Musikamole
paul211 wrote:

Yes boss, ref : movie by Steve Mcqueen, "Cool Hand Luke 1967".

Calling it your way, a more attacking chess player, does not necessarily make it right. I paraphrase here Steve's line: "calling it your job don't make it right, Boss."

I actually loved this movie as I often say to my wife: yes boss and she has no clue what I am talking about and never asked, as she probably have in her mind a lear definition of who is the boss at home.

1. In summary I would say play your own style, which seems to be a more conservative and closed position one, not everyone plays as flamboyant Morphy or Fischer.

2. What you need is to know how to play your own style. Which is what we are currently trying to do with our games?

A more aggressive and I would rather say: amore, a small key miss hit and though so meaningful. Amore in Italian means to love. So remember always: lo amo quello che faccio. Love what you do, why try to change it? work on improving it as this is your style of play.

Better words than aggressive I would say are; initiative, mentioned in one of the posts earlier, dynamic play, spatial expansion, control of the center, challenging moves for the opponent and active pieces.  


I didn't know that Fischer was known to have an attacking style. I've heard that his win percentage was quite high with the King's Gambit. Please direct me to a few of his best attacking games. Thanks. Smile

1. This thread was started after a blitz session where I got killed by attacking players. My positional style was not working and the threats from my opponents came after the first few moves.

2. Yes. I do need to know the common threats and themes associated with 1.d4.

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I am committed to playing 1.d4, but am not fully commited yet to my first move after White plays 1.e4.

I've tried 1...e6 - The French Defense, 1...d5 - The Scandinavian and now 1...c5 - The Sicilian. 

I am currently frustrated with The Sicilian, since White never plays d2-d4.  What am I supposed to do with my pawn at c5 when White does not play the common dxc5?

I may return to The French Defense, since 1...e6 discourages White from playing 1.e4, 2.Qh5 and 3.Bc4 - targeting the f7 square. I see those three moves from White more often than anything else.

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Here's one example where I was attacked on move two, played defense the entire game and lost. The wheels really came off after I played 21...e5, inviting a nice hole for White to fill with 22.Nd5.

 

 


planeden

from what i have seen (which is only a few games) you seem to have a tendency to hem all of your pieces in behind your pawns.  after move 21 none of your pieces could get out.  all but one out for the knight was covered by your own pawns. 

perhaps making a few earlier pawn trades would open up the game and at least give you lines to attack. 

just looking at the first 4 moves though, 1...c5 would have let your queen out, although it is a bit early for that.  2...d6 lets the LSB out but will trap your DSB.  3...e6 then blocks in your LSB.  i would have played 3...g6 instead.  blocking the mate threat and chasing off the queen one move earlier.  also, it wouldn't have closed you in. 

it is too bad that you didn't notice NN hung the queen on move 5. 

orangehonda
Musikamole wrote:

Here's one example where I was attacked on move two, played defense the entire game and lost. The wheels really came off after I played 21...e5, inviting a nice hole for White to fill with 22.Nd5.

Instead of styles and attitudes, I think you should still focus on the "how to stop hanging pieces" bit.  You played some aggressive moves, you weren't defending this whole game.  In fact you were equal or winning until you hung your rook.

e5 wasn't so bad, it got rid of the backward pawn.  A few moves earlier f5 was very aggressive (and weakening) but not bad if you follow it up with g5 and continue to push and open lines on that side to justify your rooks being there.

Musikamole
planeden wrote:

1. from what i have seen (which is only a few games) you seem to have a tendency to hem all of your pieces in behind your pawns.  after move 21 none of your pieces could get out.  all but one out for the knight was covered by your own pawns. 

perhaps making a few earlier pawn trades would open up the game and at least give you lines to attack. 

just looking at the first 4 moves though, 1...c5 would have let your queen out, although it is a bit early for that.  2...d6 lets the LSB out but will trap your DSB.  3...e6 then blocks in your LSB.  i would have played 3...g6 instead.  blocking the mate threat and chasing off the queen one move earlier.  also, it wouldn't have closed you in. 

2. it is too bad that you didn't notice NN hung the queen on move 5. 


1. I see what you mean. At move 20, my plan was to pawnstorm kingside, supported by my rooks, breaking through White's castled position. White stopped that attack with 20.f4. After 21...e5, I invited 22.Nd5 and was never able to push those kingside pawns.

2. Yes. I missed the easy QxQg5, winning White's queen. Embarassed

This game was picked to illustrate my weaknesses in making threats, almost always playing defense, especially with the Black pieces.

trigs

you want to attack and threaten your opponent?

i've got two words for you:

KING'S GAMBIT!

orangehonda

Aggressive might be thought of in different ways.

Are you thinking in terms of when one player reacts to another's threats?  Because that's spot on.  It's very important to ignore everything you can get away with Smile  Some authors called it "jumping at ghosts" (reacting to threats that aren't really there) or talking about how top players try to impose their will on the board.

In your previous post you said f5 stopped your kingside push, but does it really?! :)  21...g5 seems perfectly playable to me.  And sometimes even if it sacrifices a pawn it's worth it to actively pursue the moves that give you play -- such as opening lines where your pieces are.

Musikamole
orangehonda wrote:

Aggressive might be thought of in different ways.

Are you thinking in terms of when one player reacts to another's threats?  Because that's spot on.  It's very important to ignore everything you can get away with   Some authors called it "jumping at ghosts" (reacting to threats that aren't really there) or talking about how top players try to impose their will on the board.

In your previous post you said f5 stopped your kingside push, but does it really?! :)  21...g5 seems perfectly playable to me.  And sometimes even if it sacrifices a pawn it's worth it to actively pursue the moves that give you play -- such as opening lines where your pieces are.


One player reacting to another player's real threat is as Dan Heisman would say, Real Chess - not Hope Chess. I do need to get better at recognizing my opponent's threats.

My style/personality is positional, not attacking. However, while I go about my business quietly playing positional chess, how can I insert threats that over the course of the game become a pain in the royal behind for my opponent?

Karpov was known as a positional player, whereas Kasparov was known as an attacking player. When Karpov beat Kasparov, what kinds of problems/threats did he create that this genius attacking player could not solve?

ivandh

Leather with metal spikes?

Musikamole
trigs wrote:

you want to attack and threaten your opponent?

i've got two words for you:

KING'S GAMBIT!


The King's Gambit has been brought up more than once. I play blitz chess at a rating where opening lines are not known. What common mistakes do beginners make with the Black pieces? Do they usually accept the gambit?

Musikamole
Fezzik wrote:

Positional chess players can attack when the position calls for it. In this sense, Tal was a consummate positional player. (Especially later in his career.)

Karpov was able to defeat Kasparov by using several key techniques.

1. First, he would play extremely actively, but always with a view to limiting his opponent's activity.

2. He played critical variations. He didn't try to trip Kasparov up with some superficially attractive line in the King's Gambit. He went right for the jugular in the Tarrasch and other variations.

3. He stayed true to himself. He knew he was a very strong attacking player when the position required it. He knew he could work out the tactics in most situations. But he also knew that his great strengths compared to Kasparov were his experience and positional sense.

The first 10 games or so of the first World Championship match (1984-1985) showed that Karpov was clearly stronger than Kasparov.

The next 100 or so games showed that Kasparov could learn from Karpov. Karpov helped to create the greatest player ever by forcing him to learn the deep positional sense that beat Kasparov, especially early in their encounters.


Thanks for a great post on Karpov! Smile

Question - What do you mean by a critical variation? I've heard players describe certain variations or lines as being sharp.

I found an article by Dan Heisman titled Critical and Principal Variations, and found the article difficult to understand, and I usually can understand his Novice Nook articles. Laughing

Dan lost me right here:

From a practical standpoint, primarily considering your opponent’s dangerous replies is fundamental – it is the basis for what I call Real Chess (see Real Chess, Time Management, and Care: Putting It All Together).

Importantly, it means that you are often not concerned with your opponent’s theoretically best move if that reply does not attempt to force something; you are most concerned with his forcing and/or winning attempts.

Analyzing these forcing attempts is therefore considering the main lines of dangerous replies to your candidate moves. Let’s call these dangerous lines Critical Variations, or CVs.

Link to the full article: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman83.pdf


The Tarrasch


mike77

Lasker quantified 3 advantages...material, position, and tempo. Sac. material for the latter and you'll involuntarily become aggressive. The defensive part shuts down(think fight or flight)....Have you tried gnashing your teeth or battle cries? These affect your opponent psychologically! Randy the helpful pineapple says,"Thats the gist!"

Musikamole
orangehonda wrote:
Musikamole wrote:

Here's one example where I was attacked on move two, played defense the entire game and lost. The wheels really came off after I played 21...e5, inviting a nice hole for White to fill with 22.Nd5.

Instead of styles and attitudes, I think you should still focus on the "how to stop hanging pieces" bit. 

1. You played some aggressive moves, you weren't defending this whole game. 

2. In fact you were equal or winning until you hung your rook. 

e5 wasn't so bad, it got rid of the backward pawn.  A few moves earlier f5 was very aggressive (and weakening) but not bad if you follow it up with g5 and continue to push and open lines on that side to justify your rooks being there.


I played some aggressive moves?  Cool  It must have been what I ate for dinner or something.

Thanks for looking at the game and also your positive and encouraging comments. It is very much appreciated. Smile

Yes. I still hang pieces. Tonydal thinks I've got some kind of support group thing  going for those who hang pieces. That gave me quite a chuckle.

In this topic: Anyone got a cure for the chronic piece droppers?

tonydal wrote:

"Yep, they and Musikamole can form a support group..."

Laughing

orangehonda
Musikamole wrote:
orangehonda wrote:

Aggressive might be thought of in different ways.

Are you thinking in terms of when one player reacts to another's threats?  Because that's spot on.  It's very important to ignore everything you can get away with   Some authors called it "jumping at ghosts" (reacting to threats that aren't really there) or talking about how top players try to impose their will on the board.

In your previous post you said f5 stopped your kingside push, but does it really?! :)  21...g5 seems perfectly playable to me.  And sometimes even if it sacrifices a pawn it's worth it to actively pursue the moves that give you play -- such as opening lines where your pieces are.


One player reacting to another player's real threat is as Dan Heisman would say, Real Chess - not Hope Chess. I do need to get better at recognizing my opponent's threats.

My style/personality is positional, not attacking. However, while I go about my business quietly playing positional chess, how can I insert threats that over the course of the game become a pain in the royal behind for my opponent?

Karpov was known as a positional player, whereas Kasparov was known as an attacking player. When Karpov beat Kasparov, what kinds of problems/threats did he create that this genius attacking player could not solve?


High level players aren't bound by a style.  If I blundered tactically against Karpov he'd find that mate in 10, or if I blundered strategically against Kasparov he'd be more than happy to maneuver 30 moves to an easy win.  It's just when they have the option (for example in an opening) we see their preference and label them.

So usually they meet somewhere in the middle.  It's not a wild game, but it's not completely positional either.

chrundl3
Musikamole wrote:

To follow-up on one of the ideas for attacking chess, I found this example of a rook sacrifice.

 



cute

orangehonda
Musikamole wrote:

I played some aggressive moves?    It must have been what I ate for dinner or something.

Thanks for looking at the game and also your positive and encouraging comments. It is very much appreciated.

Yes. I still hang pieces. Tonydal thinks I've got some kind of support group thing  going for those who hang pieces. That gave me quite a chuckle.

In this topic: Anyone got a cure for the chronic piece droppers?

tonydal wrote:

"Yep, they and Musikamole can form a support group..."

 


No problem.  I think you saw a lot more than you missed in that game.  Never walking into a nasty knight fork from that annoying d5 knight for example :)

Musikamole
Fezzik wrote:

Re my mention of the Tarrasch: I was referring to the Queen's Gambit Tarrasch, which Kasparov had used quite successfully as Black in the qualifiers.


Oh. Thank you.

Here's Karpov-Kasparov, World Championship Match 1984, Tarrasch Defense: Classical. Carlsbad Variation (D34),  1-0


vowles_23
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I like experimenting with agressive opening attack moves, here's one that worked, (they don't always, but they're good fun when they do!),

Don't follow the example of giving the Queen away, or the other 30 bad moves, and hope that the other player is more tired and distracted than you are, otherwise the wheels are likely to fall off!

 


 56. Rf8#

vowles_23

My favourite way of attacking is to castle Queen-side then attack my opponent's King with a pawn storm or such.

PleaseSignHere____
vowles_23:
PleaseSignHere____ :

I like ... the wheels are likely to fall off!


 56. Rf8#


Yes, that would've done it!
It's about producing CheckMate, not collecting superfluous virtual chess pieces!

I've been inspired by the challenge of becoming a more aggressive player, 5 min chess offers this opportunity. Forget the rating and enjoy the game!