benko is OP
Benoni Defense vs Kings Indian Defense vs Grunfeld vs 1...d5 (systems) vs others
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benko is op because someone crushed me with it
Gruenfeld. Nobody really knows how to play against it below 1800USCF (1500 FIDE) and it doesn't really allow much attack for white.
royalknight101 wrote:
the kings indian defense is the best
yes
As black, I play the Dutch to d4. However, as a d4 player, I struggle most against the Grunfeld.
what about the Nimzo and Queen's Indian?
May 22, 2021
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#13
BlindThief wrote:
As black, I play the Dutch to d4. However, as a d4 player, I struggle most against the Grunfeld.
Okay so 1.d4, 1...f5, 2.Bg4 what do you do?
May 22, 2021
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#14
Optimissed wrote:
SpeedyCyclone wrote:
BlindThief wrote:
As black, I play the Dutch to d4. However, as a d4 player, I struggle most against the Grunfeld.
Okay so 1.d4, 1...f5, 2.Bg4 what do you do?
That's tricky. Black needs to learn how to handle it and I tried it for a while but 2. Bg5 doesn't seem all that good when black knows what he's doing. So I play 1. d4 ... f5 2. e4 and get good results.
I meant Bg5.
I gett the best results with it against the dutch about a 80% win rate
SpeedyCyclone wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
SpeedyCyclone wrote:
BlindThief wrote:
As black, I play the Dutch to d4. However, as a d4 player, I struggle most against the Grunfeld.
Okay so 1.d4, 1...f5, 2.Bg4 what do you do?
That's tricky. Black needs to learn how to handle it and I tried it for a while but 2. Bg5 doesn't seem all that good when black knows what he's doing. So I play 1. d4 ... f5 2. e4 and get good results.
I meant Bg5.
I gett the best results with it against the dutch about a 80% win rate
challenge accepted
May 22, 2021
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#17
I don't want to be a party pooper, but the engine kind of refutes the Benko. It is rarely played at top level, but it is definitely playable at 2300 level and below. Don't forget the Nimzo
May 22, 2021
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#18
Optimissed wrote:
SpeedyCyclone wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
SpeedyCyclone wrote:
BlindThief wrote:
As black, I play the Dutch to d4. However, as a d4 player, I struggle most against the Grunfeld.
Okay so 1.d4, 1...f5, 2.Bg4 what do you do?
That's tricky. Black needs to learn how to handle it and I tried it for a while but 2. Bg5 doesn't seem all that good when black knows what he's doing. So I play 1. d4 ... f5 2. e4 and get good results.
I meant Bg5.
I gett the best results with it against the dutch about a 80% win rate
Wow that's good. Do they chase the B all the way with pawns and get mated? I probably get about 66% win rate with 2. e4.
Well that happens but the main point of Bg5 in my opinion is to over extend the kingside pawns and go for rapid development by striking the center
May 22, 2021
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#19
kingandqueen2017 wrote:
I don't want to be a party pooper, but the engine kind of refutes the Benko. It is rarely played at top level, but it is definitely playable at 2300 level and below. Don't forget the Nimzo
Depends on what type of benko you play 
May 22, 2021
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#20
SpeedyCyclone wrote:
kingandqueen2017 wrote:
I don't want to be a party pooper, but the engine kind of refutes the Benko. It is rarely played at top level, but it is definitely playable at 2300 level and below. Don't forget the Nimzo
Depends on what type of benko you play
I don't play the Benko, just the Benoni 
This is the ultimate battle of best counters vs 1.d4
Benoni Defense
Kings Indian Defense
Grunfeld
1...d5 (systems)
other moves.
Lets discuss which are the best and why!