Best chess game to show a newbie?

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owltuna wrote:

Ok, that was my first attempt at posting a game under Version 3. There are some serious problems. First, that game is real, it is Gibaud-Lazard, Paris, 1924. The game details did not take. When I went back to edit the board and put in the details, all the moves were gone, it was a starting position with no moves, no details, nothing. Oh boy there is some work to do here!

Actually, it's not real. http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/records/records.htm

http://en.chessbase.com/post/edward-winters-che-explorations-99-210613

Ziryab
owltuna wrote:
ofircohen16 wrote:
Child_Krishna wrote:

I just gave a "chess lesson" where I showed the moves of Fischer vs. Spassky (1972), game 3, to a chess newbie. It went alright. What is the best game to show to a newbie? What is the greatest game ever? Or should one do something else completely with chess newbie? How do you demonstrate the awesomeness of chess?

So you are the same rating as me, and you give people chess lessons? That's saddening, I wouldn't want my teacher to be as mediocre as me or you.

 

So nobody should ever teach anyone how to play chess unless they are at least an expert? I don't quite like that idea.

I was a C-Class player when I started coaching kids. I'm much stronger now, but still no expert.

Most of these kids are more likely to draw KQ v. K than win it. Anyone with this skill can teach it.

Some of my private students beat me on occasion and are nearing the time when they will need a master level coach.

 

I think there's a lot of benefit for beginners learning miniatures. My own chess skill developed from non-existent to being albe to beat everyone in my circle of acquaintances mostly through study of short games.

I worte about this transformation at some length in http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2012/03/my-first-chess-book.html. Both the game that I posted and the fictive game posted by owltuna are in the Chernev classic. John Nunn, 101 Brilliant Chess Miniatures has better quality modern games.

Oraoradeki

The Opera game is not a good game to show to beginners imo. Black played badly and got punished for it. We do not like to encourage anyone to play badly. We also should not give beginners false impressions of sacrifices.

The one and only game that I have memorized, is Louis Paulsen - Morphy 1857, involving a sacrifice that actually work, unlike the one in the opera game. It is instructive, because the key element of the game is to get all the pieces out before an attack.

Steinitz - Von Bardeleben 1895 is a close second place in terms of best games to show to beginners becuase it involves the Italian game and italian game is for kids

Ziryab
Oraoradeki wrote:

The one and only game that I have memorized, is Louis Paulsen - Morphy 1857, involving a sacrifice that actually work, unlike the one in the opera game. It is instructive, because the key element of the game is to get all the pieces out before an attack.

Which one? 

(12) Paulsen,Louis - Morphy,Paul [C67]

USA–01.Kongress New York (4.2), 30.10.1857

 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0–0 Nxe4 5.d4 a6 6.Bd3 d5 7.Nxe5 Nxd4 8.Re1 Be6 9.c3 Nc6 10.Nxc6 bxc6 11.Qa4 Qd7 12.Bxe4 dxe4 13.Qxe4 Bd6 14.Nd2 0–0 15.Nf3 Bd5 16.Qd3 Rae8 17.Bg5 Qg4 18.h3 Qh5 19.Bd2 Re6 20.Ng5 Rg6 21.Ne4 Rxg2+ 22.Kxg2 f5 23.f3 Qg6+ 24.Ng5 h6 25.c4 Bf7 26.h4 Rd8 27.Qc2 hxg5 28.hxg5 Be6 29.Rh1 Be7 30.f4 c5 31.Rae1 Kf7 32.Rh3 Bc8 33.Kg1 Bb7 34.Bc1 Rd4 35.b3 Bd6 36.Qe2 Re4 37.Qf2 Qe6 38.Rhe3 Qd7 39.Qh4 Kg6 40.Qh3 Be7 41.Rxe4 Bxe4 42.Qe3 Qd8 43.Qh3 Qd4+ 44.Be3 Qc3 45.Qf1 Qa5 46.Qf2 Qb6 47.Re2 Qc6 48.Bc1 Qd7 49.Rd2 Qe6 50.Qe3 Qc6 51.Bb2 Kf7 52.Qh3 Qg6 53.Rh2 Qd6 ½–½

 

(13) Paulsen,Louis - Morphy,Paul [C64]

USA–01.Kongress New York (4.3), 02.11.1857

 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Bc5 4.Bb5 d6 5.d4 exd4 6.Nxd4 Bd7 7.Nxc6 bxc6 8.Ba4 Qh4 9.0–0 Nf6 10.Qf3 Ng4 11.Bf4 Ne5 12.Qg3 Qf6 13.Rad1 h6 14.Kh1 g5 15.Bxe5 dxe5 16.b4 Bd6 17.Rd3 h5 18.Rfd1 a6 19.Ne2 Rd8 20.a3 g4 21.c4 Qh6 22.c5 h4 23.Qe3 Be7 24.f4 exf4 25.Qxf4 Qxf4 26.Nxf4 Rh6 27.Ne2 f5 28.e5 Re6 29.Nf4 Rxe5 30.Rxd7 Rxd7 31.Bxc6 Bd6 32.cxd6 cxd6 33.Kg1 Kd8 34.Bxd7 1–0

 

(16) Paulsen,Louis - Morphy,Paul [C48]

USA–01.Kongress New York (4.6), 08.11.1857

 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bc5 5.0–0 0–0 6.Nxe5 Re8 7.Nxc6 dxc6 8.Bc4 b5 9.Be2 Nxe4 10.Nxe4 Rxe4 11.Bf3 Re6 12.c3 Qd3 13.b4 Bb6 14.a4 bxa4 15.Qxa4 Bd7 16.Ra2 Rae8 17.Qa6 Qxf3 18.gxf3 Rg6+ 19.Kh1 Bh3 20.Rd1 Bg2+ 21.Kg1 Bxf3+ 22.Kf1 Bg2+ 23.Kg1 Bh3+ 24.Kh1 Bxf2 25.Qf1 Bxf1 26.Rxf1 Re2 27.Ra1 Rh6 28.d4 Be3 0–1

 

(18) Paulsen,Louis - Morphy,Paul [C47]

USA–01.Kongress New York (4.8), 10.11.1857

 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.d4 Bb4 5.Bb5 Nxe4 6.Qd3 d5 7.Nxe5 0–0 8.0–0 Nxe5 9.dxe5 Bxc3 10.bxc3 c6 11.Ba4 Qa5 12.Bb3 Qxc3 13.Bf4 Bf5 14.Rac1 g5 15.Qxc3 Nxc3 16.Bxg5 Ne2+ 17.Kh1 Nxc1 18.Rxc1 Rfe8 19.Bf6 b5 20.f3 a5 21.a3 Be6 22.Rd1 b4 23.axb4 axb4 24.h3 c5 25.c3 bxc3 26.Bc2 Ra2 27.Rc1 Rea8 28.Bg5 Ra1 29.Bb1 c2 30.Bxc2 Rxc1+ 31.Bxc1 Ra1 0–1

CerebralAssassin19

^I was just gonna mention the Steinitz-Von Bardeleben game.Yeah...it's pretty sublime and involves the Italian game,of which beginners should start with.



Oraoradeki
Ziryab wrote:
Oraoradeki wrote:

The one and only game that I have memorized, is Louis Paulsen - Morphy 1857, involving a sacrifice that actually work, unlike the one in the opera game. It is instructive, because the key element of the game is to get all the pieces out before an attack.

Which one? 

(12) Paulsen,Louis - Morphy,Paul [C67]

USA–01.Kongress New York (4.2), 30.10.1857

 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0–0 Nxe4 5.d4 a6 6.Bd3 d5 7.Nxe5 Nxd4 8.Re1 Be6 9.c3 Nc6 10.Nxc6 bxc6 11.Qa4 Qd7 12.Bxe4 dxe4 13.Qxe4 Bd6 14.Nd2 0–0 15.Nf3 Bd5 16.Qd3 Rae8 17.Bg5 Qg4 18.h3 Qh5 19.Bd2 Re6 20.Ng5 Rg6 21.Ne4 Rxg2+ 22.Kxg2 f5 23.f3 Qg6+ 24.Ng5 h6 25.c4 Bf7 26.h4 Rd8 27.Qc2 hxg5 28.hxg5 Be6 29.Rh1 Be7 30.f4 c5 31.Rae1 Kf7 32.Rh3 Bc8 33.Kg1 Bb7 34.Bc1 Rd4 35.b3 Bd6 36.Qe2 Re4 37.Qf2 Qe6 38.Rhe3 Qd7 39.Qh4 Kg6 40.Qh3 Be7 41.Rxe4 Bxe4 42.Qe3 Qd8 43.Qh3 Qd4+ 44.Be3 Qc3 45.Qf1 Qa5 46.Qf2 Qb6 47.Re2 Qc6 48.Bc1 Qd7 49.Rd2 Qe6 50.Qe3 Qc6 51.Bb2 Kf7 52.Qh3 Qg6 53.Rh2 Qd6 ½–½

 

(13) Paulsen,Louis - Morphy,Paul [C64]

USA–01.Kongress New York (4.3), 02.11.1857

 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Bc5 4.Bb5 d6 5.d4 exd4 6.Nxd4 Bd7 7.Nxc6 bxc6 8.Ba4 Qh4 9.0–0 Nf6 10.Qf3 Ng4 11.Bf4 Ne5 12.Qg3 Qf6 13.Rad1 h6 14.Kh1 g5 15.Bxe5 dxe5 16.b4 Bd6 17.Rd3 h5 18.Rfd1 a6 19.Ne2 Rd8 20.a3 g4 21.c4 Qh6 22.c5 h4 23.Qe3 Be7 24.f4 exf4 25.Qxf4 Qxf4 26.Nxf4 Rh6 27.Ne2 f5 28.e5 Re6 29.Nf4 Rxe5 30.Rxd7 Rxd7 31.Bxc6 Bd6 32.cxd6 cxd6 33.Kg1 Kd8 34.Bxd7 1–0

 

(16) Paulsen,Louis - Morphy,Paul [C48]

USA–01.Kongress New York (4.6), 08.11.1857

 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bc5 5.0–0 0–0 6.Nxe5 Re8 7.Nxc6 dxc6 8.Bc4 b5 9.Be2 Nxe4 10.Nxe4 Rxe4 11.Bf3 Re6 12.c3 Qd3 13.b4 Bb6 14.a4 bxa4 15.Qxa4 Bd7 16.Ra2 Rae8 17.Qa6 Qxf3 18.gxf3 Rg6+ 19.Kh1 Bh3 20.Rd1 Bg2+ 21.Kg1 Bxf3+ 22.Kf1 Bg2+ 23.Kg1 Bh3+ 24.Kh1 Bxf2 25.Qf1 Bxf1 26.Rxf1 Re2 27.Ra1 Rh6 28.d4 Be3 0–1

 

(18) Paulsen,Louis - Morphy,Paul [C47]

USA–01.Kongress New York (4.8), 10.11.1857

 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.d4 Bb4 5.Bb5 Nxe4 6.Qd3 d5 7.Nxe5 0–0 8.0–0 Nxe5 9.dxe5 Bxc3 10.bxc3 c6 11.Ba4 Qa5 12.Bb3 Qxc3 13.Bf4 Bf5 14.Rac1 g5 15.Qxc3 Nxc3 16.Bxg5 Ne2+ 17.Kh1 Nxc1 18.Rxc1 Rfe8 19.Bf6 b5 20.f3 a5 21.a3 Be6 22.Rd1 b4 23.axb4 axb4 24.h3 c5 25.c3 bxc3 26.Bc2 Ra2 27.Rc1 Rea8 28.Bg5 Ra1 29.Bb1 c2 30.Bxc2 Rxc1+ 31.Bxc1 Ra1 0–1

The 3rd. this one is a beauty and should be taught to every beginner. can someone show it on here? My PGN thing does not seem to be working. My favourite moves are 12...Qd3 which gives a strong bind, 15...Bd7 - not forgetting to develop queenside pieces and of course 17...Qxf3! a Well calculated sacrifice.

Garrett84

But new players DO play badly. Showing Morphy games would not encourage more poor play. They demonstrate attacking with all your pieces, converting development advantage into a win, and the power of forcing moves.

People are suggesting Karpov vs. Kasparov 1985, which would be very hard for a true beginner to learn from since Karpov made no tactical blunders but lost due to stratwgic planning. That is a concept beginners would not grasp. But Morphy games teach players if the develop quickly, play in the center and play actively vs passively and their opponent does not thrn they should win. Easy lesson.

Oraoradeki wrote:

The Opera game is not a good game to show to beginners imo. Black played badly and got punished for it. We do not like to encourage anyone to play badly. We also should not give beginners false impressions of sacrifices.

The one and only game that I have memorized, is Louis Paulsen - Morphy 1857, involving a sacrifice that actually work, unlike the one in the opera game. It is instructive, because the key element of the game is to get all the pieces out before an attack.

Steinitz - Von Bardeleben 1895 is a close second place in terms of best games to show to beginners becuase it involves the Italian game and italian game is for kids

Oraoradeki
Garrett84 wrote:

But new players DO play badly. Showing Morphy games would not encourage more poor play. They demonstrate attacking with all your pieces, converting development advantage into a win, and the power of forcing moves.

People are suggesting Karpov vs. Kasparov 1985, which would be very hard for a true beginner to learn from since Karpov made no tactical blunders but lost due to stratwgic planning. That is a concept beginners would not grasp. But Morphy games teach players if the develop quickly, play in the center and play actively vs passively and their opponent does not thrn they should win. Easy lesson.

Oraoradeki wrote:

The Opera game is not a good game to show to beginners imo. Black played badly and got punished for it. We do not like to encourage anyone to play badly. We also should not give beginners false impressions of sacrifices.

The one and only game that I have memorized, is Louis Paulsen - Morphy 1857, involving a sacrifice that actually work, unlike the one in the opera game. It is instructive, because the key element of the game is to get all the pieces out before an attack.

Steinitz - Von Bardeleben 1895 is a close second place in terms of best games to show to beginners becuase it involves the Italian game and italian game is for kids

hmm I don't understand what you are saying. It seems to me that you are saying that new players don't play good so you should encourage tactics and attacking...?

What I am saying is that I don't see anything instructional in the opera game. Black blunders on move 3. So not all Morphy games teach beginners a good lesson. On the other hand, the 2 games I listed above would teach beginners good lessons because they are more instructional.

Chicken_Monster

How old is the "newbie?" I read something written by a chess coach that it is well known that most very young children (even many bright chess minds) don't have the attention span to pay close attention for an entire long game.

Perhaps something short that open 1.e4 e5, controls center, develops Knights, then Bishops, castles, blah blah blah. Standard opening principles conveyed. Not long. You don't have to show the entire game at once necessarily. At least the opening...

Then also show a dazzling fancy patns game they won't understand, and tell them that if they work really hard they will be able to understand it and play like me someday.

Then show different ways it can end...mating patterns.

Garrett84

When new players play through Morphy games they see (a) what Morphy did correctly but (B) they also see what his opponents did poorly and the resulting consequences. For new players to look at games that are 25 moves of theory would not be the best use of their time. And a 90 move game that one player grinds out- the lesson will be to far above their their current level of play. You don't take calculus before algebra.

The lesson plan I would develop for a player who is a very new beginner (assuming they know how the pieces move) would be about 1. Development, 2.center control, 3. Initiative and tempo. These would be some of my reasons for choosing a game for beginner study not simply because it features the italian game. Also Stienitz, statistically blundered 1 or 2 moves every game. While Morphy calculated accurately and almost always played the computer recommended strongest move. His opponents' moves were dubious and that juxtaposition of stong and weak moves would help learning.

Oraoradeki wrote:

Garrett84 wrote:

But new players DO play badly. Showing Morphy games would not encourage more poor play. They demonstrate attacking with all your pieces, converting development advantage into a win, and the power of forcing moves.

People are suggesting Karpov vs. Kasparov 1985, which would be very hard for a true beginner to learn from since Karpov made no tactical blunders but lost due to stratwgic planning. That is a concept beginners would not grasp. But Morphy games teach players if the develop quickly, play in the center and play actively vs passively and their opponent does not thrn they should win. Easy lesson.

Oraoradeki wrote:

The Opera game is not a good game to show to beginners imo. Black played badly and got punished for it. We do not like to encourage anyone to play badly. We also should not give beginners false impressions of sacrifices.

The one and only game that I have memorized, is Louis Paulsen - Morphy 1857, involving a sacrifice that actually work, unlike the one in the opera game. It is instructive, because the key element of the game is to get all the pieces out before an attack.

Steinitz - Von Bardeleben 1895 is a close second place in terms of best games to show to beginners becuase it involves the Italian game and italian game is for kids

hmm I don't understand what you are saying. It seems to me that you are saying that new players don't play good so you should encourage tactics and attacking...?

What I am saying is that I don't see anything instructional in the opera game. Black blunders on move 3. So not all Morphy games teach beginners a good lesson. On the other hand, the 2 games I listed above would teach beginners good lessons because they are more instructional.

Ziryab

Of course:



Garrett84

Great example. Paulsen was one of the strongest players of the day and Morphy dominates. I thoroughly enjoy his games.

Ziryab wrote:

Of course: