"Blitz and Bullet are not chess."

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assassin3752
little_guinea_pig wrote:

nice post

yeah, you're right, chess is chess, and both players have the same time so it's not like it's unfair or anything

agreed guinea

Stil1

Blitz is just like classical chess ... except an arbiter came along and slashed 87 minutes off the game clock for both players.

*Click*

"You may begin."

sleepingpuppy
Stil1 wrote:

Blitz is just like classical chess ... except an arbiter came along and slashed 87 minutes off the game clock for both players.

*Click*

"You may begin."

"90 minutes?"

*glares*

"there you now have 3 minutes each"

"you may now begin"

rishabh11great

ok

sndeww
3Bb5 wrote:
  • "Playing rapid chess, one can lose the habit of concentrating for several hours in serious chess. That is why, if a player has big aims, he should limit his rapidplay in favour of serious chess." – Vladimir Kramnik[26]
  • "Like dogs who sniff each other when meeting, chess players have a ritual at first acquaintance: they sit down to play speed chess." – Anatoly Karpov[26]
  • "Yes, I have played a blitz game once. It was on a train, in 1929." – Mikhail Botvinnik[26]
  • "He who analyses blitz is stupid." – Rashid Nezhmetdinov[26]
  • "Blitz chess kills your ideas." – Bobby Fischer[26]
  • "To be honest, I consider [bullet chess] a bit moronic, and therefore I never play it." – Vladimir Kramnik[27]
  • "[B]litz – it's just a pleasure." – Vladimir Kramnik[28]
  • "I play way too much blitz chess. It rots the brain just as surely as alcohol." – Nigel Short[29]

This is not about whether or not speed chess helps improve your over-the-board rating. Red herring. This is about speed chess being chess. 

slimshady

speed chess is chess what does it comes under real chess or some kinda variant chess

sndeww
3Bb5 wrote:

speed chess is chess what does it comes under real chess or some kinda variant chess

Chess is chess. There is no middle ground. Variant chess is when it is not based on the rules of modern chess. Chess960 is not chess (this is debatable). Chanturaga is not chess. 4 player chess is not chess. Blitz and bullet are chess.

Chess and 'serious chess' have differences 

AunTheKnight
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:

speed chess is chess what does it comes under real chess or some kinda variant chess

Chess is chess. There is no middle ground. Variant chess is when it is not based on the rules of modern chess. Chess960 is not chess (this is debatable). Chanturaga is not chess. 4 player chess is not chess. Blitz and bullet are chess.

Chess and 'serious chess' have differences 

In my opinion, 960 is chess without opening theory.

sndeww
AunTheKnight wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:

speed chess is chess what does it comes under real chess or some kinda variant chess

Chess is chess. There is no middle ground. Variant chess is when it is not based on the rules of modern chess. Chess960 is not chess (this is debatable). Chanturaga is not chess. 4 player chess is not chess. Blitz and bullet are chess.

Chess and 'serious chess' have differences 

In my opinion, 960 is chess without opening theory.

That's why I said it was debatable.

slimshady
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:

speed chess is chess what does it comes under real chess or some kinda variant chess

Chess is chess. There is no middle ground. Variant chess is when it is not based on the rules of modern chess. Chess960 is not chess (this is debatable). Chanturaga is not chess. 4 player chess is not chess. Blitz and bullet are chess.

Chess and 'serious chess' have differences 

see in every variant there is something less or more in speed ches our time is way less when bring the time factor the speed chess has a very different qualities than normal chess

AunTheKnight
B1ZMARK wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:

speed chess is chess what does it comes under real chess or some kinda variant chess

Chess is chess. There is no middle ground. Variant chess is when it is not based on the rules of modern chess. Chess960 is not chess (this is debatable). Chanturaga is not chess. 4 player chess is not chess. Blitz and bullet are chess.

Chess and 'serious chess' have differences 

In my opinion, 960 is chess without opening theory.

That's why I said it was debatable.

I know.

sndeww
3Bb5 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:

speed chess is chess what does it comes under real chess or some kinda variant chess

Chess is chess. There is no middle ground. Variant chess is when it is not based on the rules of modern chess. Chess960 is not chess (this is debatable). Chanturaga is not chess. 4 player chess is not chess. Blitz and bullet are chess.

Chess and 'serious chess' have differences 

see in every variant there is something less or more in speed ches our time is way less when bring the time factor the speed chess has a very different qualities than normal chess

"In every variant there is something less or more"

Incorret. Can you please tell me what is less or more in fog of war? Atomic? 

Quality of chess games played does not make a higher quality game "more chess" than the other. You can ONLY say that "better chess was played", but not "more chess was played". 

Next time please punctuate your sentences when delivering an argument because then people reading it won't get an aneurysm.

slimshady
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:

speed chess is chess what does it comes under real chess or some kinda variant chess

Chess is chess. There is no middle ground. Variant chess is when it is not based on the rules of modern chess. Chess960 is not chess (this is debatable). Chanturaga is not chess. 4 player chess is not chess. Blitz and bullet are chess.

Chess and 'serious chess' have differences 

see in every variant there is something less or more in speed ches our time is way less when bring the time factor the speed chess has a very different qualities than normal chess

"In every variant there is something less or more"

Incorret. Can you please tell me what is less or more in fog of war? Atomic? 

Quality of chess games played does not make a higher quality game "more chess" than the other. You can ONLY say that "better chess was played", but not "more chess was played". 

Next time please punctuate your sentences when delivering an argument because then people reading it won't get an aneurysm.

you see I normal people can understand them more or less but I think I need to explain to you of

so fog of war is less cant see opponents pieces

4 player chess more 4 people (do i need to explain this also)

Bughouse more played by 2 people 

some the simple examples for you 

(About aneurysm i think you need chill and cool down high blood pressure is the main cause)

Jack_Irish
B1ZMARK wrote:
 

Chess is chess.

I was under the impression that time controls (clocks) were introduced to stop chess games from going on for too long.
Chess is chess regardless of time control. Whether each time control is good or bad is immaterial, the beauty of each time control is subjective.

 

MaskedNuisance

there r ppl who actually think that blitz and bullet aren't chess?

sndeww
3Bb5 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:

speed chess is chess what does it comes under real chess or some kinda variant chess

Chess is chess. There is no middle ground. Variant chess is when it is not based on the rules of modern chess. Chess960 is not chess (this is debatable). Chanturaga is not chess. 4 player chess is not chess. Blitz and bullet are chess.

Chess and 'serious chess' have differences 

see in every variant there is something less or more in speed ches our time is way less when bring the time factor the speed chess has a very different qualities than normal chess

"In every variant there is something less or more"

Incorret. Can you please tell me what is less or more in fog of war? Atomic? 

Quality of chess games played does not make a higher quality game "more chess" than the other. You can ONLY say that "better chess was played", but not "more chess was played". 

Next time please punctuate your sentences when delivering an argument because then people reading it won't get an aneurysm.

you see I normal people can understand them more or less but I think I need to explain to you of

so fog of war is less cant see opponents pieces

4 player chess more 4 people (do i need to explain this also)

Bughouse more played by 2 people 

some the simple examples for you 

(About aneurysm i think you need chill and cool down high blood pressure is the main cause)

first off... "you see I normal people can understand them more or less but I think I need to explain to you of"

...

Fog of war - "see less pieces". That is not it - you must see the opponents pieces for it to be chess. If you forcibly remove or add things that change the basic rules of the game, it is not chess.

Blitz and bullet - you forcibly remove the time, but do not add additional rules. It is still chess.

4PC - you add two more players and different rules to win, promote, etc.

Bughouse - literally not even chess. Same with crazyhouse.

 

sndeww
Jack_Irish wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
 

Chess is chess.

I was under the impression that time controls (clocks) were introduced to stop chess games from going on for too long.
Chess is chess regardless of time control. Whether each time control is good or bad is immaterial, the beauty of each time control is subjective.

 

Agreed. Some people do not know the difference between objective and subjective, it seems.

shloksinha
B1ZMARK wrote:

Every once in a while there are such people who jump in and say that blitz and bullet are not chess. They contend that because of the dependency on speed and time pressure, you cannot make high quality moves like you can in classical. Therefore, blitz and bullet are closer to a variant than "actual chess."

There are a few things wrong with this assessment. First thing is, "chess" is being used as a subjective term. It is not supposed to be one. When you say that a certain time control is "chess" (or not), you basically conjure up your own set of rules as to what chess is. 

So first, let's determine what chess is. I will use google definition because it is the simplest.

Chess is a game between two players on a 8x8 checkered board. Both sides have eight pieces and eight pawns starting in their respective positions (I don't have to define where exactly they start at, now, do I?) 

I have checked other places besides google definitions, including meriam-webster and Wikipedia. Neither site mentions the use of a chess clock to determine what chess is. 

Second - the logic can be turned on its head. Suppose you say that because speed chess emphasizes speed, it is not chess. You cannot back up this claim - therefore, I am equally justified in saying that because classical chess emphasizes slow thinking, it is not chess.

After all, chess is a war game between two armies, is it not? I'm sure that when two armies clash each other, the generals do not have the luxury of thinking for forty minutes, "hmm, my opponents are coming through this pass... how exactly should I deal with them? Should I send the archers? ... " indecision may lead to defeat in a real war. So, the general must be able to make quick and decisive movements - just like blitz! With this logic, (which is just as faulty as its counterpart), I can say that "Blitz and bullet are the purest forms of chess. Classical is not chess, because you are given too much time to think. Classical is a variant".

In reality, chess is chess. The time control only emphasizes what skill sets are used more - classical chess favors deep thought while bullet chess illustrates quick decision making. Neither blitz nor classical are variants.

Permission to post this answer in other forums? ( I will credit you in the bottom)

sndeww

That is ok. You can just link the forum if you really want.

slimshady
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
3Bb5 wrote:

speed chess is chess what does it comes under real chess or some kinda variant chess

Chess is chess. There is no middle ground. Variant chess is when it is not based on the rules of modern chess. Chess960 is not chess (this is debatable). Chanturaga is not chess. 4 player chess is not chess. Blitz and bullet are chess.

Chess and 'serious chess' have differences 

see in every variant there is something less or more in speed ches our time is way less when bring the time factor the speed chess has a very different qualities than normal chess

"In every variant there is something less or more"

Incorret. Can you please tell me what is less or more in fog of war? Atomic? 

Quality of chess games played does not make a higher quality game "more chess" than the other. You can ONLY say that "better chess was played", but not "more chess was played". 

Next time please punctuate your sentences when delivering an argument because then people reading it won't get an aneurysm.

you see I normal people can understand them more or less but I think I need to explain to you of

so fog of war is less cant see opponents pieces

4 player chess more 4 people (do i need to explain this also)

Bughouse more played by 2 people 

some the simple examples for you 

(About aneurysm i think you need chill and cool down high blood pressure is the main cause)

first off... "you see I normal people can understand them more or less but I think I need to explain to you of"

...

Fog of war - "see less pieces". That is not it - you must see the opponents pieces for it to be chess. If you forcibly remove or add things that change the basic rules of the game, it is not chess.

Blitz and bullet - you forcibly remove the time, but do not add additional rules. It is still chess.

4PC - you add two more players and different rules to win, promote, etc.

Bughouse - literally not even chess. Same with crazyhouse.

 

Thats what I was saying it has the tendencies or the qualities that it reflect while (playing)

for ex the in game tricks in bullet or blitz like using opponents time trouble for our advantage(if you need that I also have to explain this point just check some bullet or blitz games)

Secondly you need to get used to simpler English because English is not required in most of the countries

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