I don't think there's usually such a thing as the strongest move. Therefore one looks for good moves and tries to choose the one that suits one's style.
What do you mean when you say there is not usually a strongest move? Masters games are full of them. Any chess engine can determine a strongest move in most non-endgame positions.
Also a cc player should have a very different mindset from a blitz player. A blitz player ought to be hyped up on adrenaline. It's a case of percentages ... don't go into anything that will cost you too much time. Try to create situations that will cost your opponent time. Really it's a very different game, except where cc is played at a low level, which is actually very common. A cc player should treat every move as the equivalent of one of those moves in a five-hour game where he is regrouping and reassessing.
I'm tired of people bragging about having '' high '' correspondence chess ratings, yet see thier blitz rating be a measily 1200. Having a 1800+ bullet/blitz rating is more respectable than being a 2000 in Correspondence chess
I'm rating 1850 uscf rating in chess, and my bullet/blitz rating accurately describes it. Correspondence chess is extremely unrealistically long, what tournament in the world will you have more than 2 weeks for a game? If your good at chess, the moves will come to you quick, you dont need 24 hours to analyze.
and it's so easy to cheat in correspodence chess every once in a while, you can look at a chess engince for a couple of moves & it will go unnoticed. But you dont have time to fool around with blitz/bullet.
I would rather play a correspondence game than a blitz or bullet. You actually learn more. Relax. If I wanted to play serious chess, I would do it OTB anyways. Most if it is just for fun. Yes, for fun. Then comes along someone like you ranting about nothing.
I've seen it stated here that Capablanca wouldn't be in the top 100 nowadays. What these people fail to understand is that Capablanca could assess positions accurately.
Where a master claims he's found "the strongest move" he actually means a decent move which suits his style, rather than some "objectively strongest move". Obviously the situation for chess engines is just the same.
I play it all. Otb-tournaments in longchess and rapid, Online3-days, blitz and rapid, but not bullet.
I want to be good at Otb-longchess, and all the rest are training and fun building strenght for Otb.
3-days is a fine way to learn openings, think, and develop my game. Onlineblitz is good exercise, good for openings and testing.
The rating is a feedback i look at. It is a graph that describes progress and stagnation. I am stretching for more rating, and it encourages me to look at videos and books, and take classes. I am proud of that I was able to gain rating, and most I gained in correpondence, because its there I spent most time.
I think Grey Goose wrote well.
Too me bulletrating is not existing, and blitzrating means less than onlinerating because i play less blitz.
Till_98 wrote:
When you blunder pieces in Blitz it is simply your own fault. My blitz rating also describes m otb rating and in my opinion every good otb player is at least a decent blitz player. I mean I might have the worst internet connection on this site and I am speaking to other people and listening to music during the games and its really not hard to play good intuitonal moves without blundering pieces.
I am an expert rated 2011 USCF and my highest was at 2110 USCF, my friend who is an expert and rating is at 2160 and strong attacker, his blitz rating suck but his correspondence chess is 2300. Some player move fast amd others need more time to make quality moves. For example the blitz (3 minute blitz) Kasporov 1860 and Jayjude 2011, this player rated 2011 drop a pawn on move 8.g4?, I mean no expert would played this move in the Hyper- Accelerated Dragon, it just drop a pawn for nothing, that is sloppy chess. I also noticed players who are USCF & FIDE experts and masters with low blitz rating, that does not make them any less of a player in strength, I sure their otb rating strength real.
I like to add I have another expert friend who bullet rating is 2400 but his otb rating sucks at 2016 USCF and that is his highest otb rating. Can you seriously consider him a strong player because his bullet rating is 2400? He is no master, just an low rated expert.
probably because of the inability to cheat.
No bullet really doesnt count, bullet is no chess. When you have a bad connection even Magnus would lose all his bullet games. But Blitz(5min or 3+2) is something completly different. Even in big tournaments the winner will be decided with a blitz game when it is tiebreak. There is even an official Fide rating about blitz. The big point is that online chess in general isnt taken as seriously as Otb of course and that might be the reason why some players often dont care about winning the game and some players really try to win. Of course 8.g4 is a beginner move but maybe he simply didnt care about winning at this moment, maybe he just wanted to have fun and play some crazy stuff. You can never know.
And you were wrong with your argumentation about titled players here. I looked at the statistics of all players on this site and there were only very very very few titled players who had a much worse blitz rating than their Fide rating. 95% of all titled players here are very strong and above average blitz players on chess.com. There blitz rating describes their Fide rating. I only know few exceptions like IM Pfren...
There is a big difference in blitz and correspondence chess, blitz a player depends on instinct, intuition and impulse, not much calculation or none at all but correspondence chess is more like otb chess, you can make the best move analyze the best alternatives and you don't lose a won position because of player who can move the mouse quicker.
Here is a endgame I played in another chess site and if it was playing blitz I would lost but it was correspondence. :)
If this endgame was a blitz, I would of lost and not learn how draw this game, because I had time to analyze I could find the drawing line.
I just noticed a slight mistake 2...g4 3.Kd2 Kf3 4.Nxa3 g3 5.Nc2 g2 instead of 6.Nd4 a better move is 6.Ne1+ Kf2 7.Nxg2 quicker draw.
Till_98 Wrote:
No bullet really doesnt count, bullet is no chess. When you have a bad connection even Magnus would lose all his bullet games. But Blitz(5min or 3+2) is something completly different. Even in big tournaments the winner will be decided with a blitz game when it is tiebreak. There is even an official Fide rating about blitz. The big point is that online chess in general isnt taken as seriously as Otb of course and that might be the reason why some players often dont care about winning the game and some players really try to win. Of course 8.g4 is a beginner move but maybe he simply didnt care about winning at this moment, maybe he just wanted to have fun and play some crazy stuff. You can never know.
And you were wrong with your argumentation about titled players here. I looked at the statistics of all players on this site and there were only very very very few titled players who had a much worse blitz rating than their Fide rating. 95% of all titled players here are very strong and above average blitz players on chess.com. There blitz rating describes their Fide rating. I only know few exceptions like IM Pfren...
I agree with you that blitz is essential, especially in otb tournament, when a blitz can decide who is first place. But otb blitz is much different than online blitz, otb blitz is a truer to a blitz strength. I player play trash opening to win on time but the otb blitz player play standard opening, serious chess. I also not referring to title player like IMs and GMs, more to low rated master, some them have a 1800 blitz rating, that doesn't mean they are 1800 otb player, they don't move fast and suck at blitz.
I more concern with my quality of my moves, and working on my blitz. I glad you are able to play blitz at your otb rating, that is very commendable.
I also using online chess to improve my skills, I like quality chess if my opponent makes a mistake in the opening I need a enough time to calculate, so I can punish that player for their bad move.
Btw nice game that you posted there. It looks really hard and complicated to me to be honest( maybe its just too late to think correctly ;) ). Are you sure that black has to play Ke4? :D
Till_98, I hope this answer your question, if the knight can get in front the pawn even without the king help, white can draw. I use online chess to improve my skill, epsecially my calculating ability, I know if it was blitz game, I would of lost and probably not analyze the endgame. I have much respect for you and I know how hard it is become an expert.
Ah yes of course. I missed that whites knight can get in front of the pawn in time so he doesnt need the king. Very instructive game, thanks
Blitz is useful I think. Both to test openings and little patterns you can pick up that help speed up your analysis in long games. Even simple stuff like a bishop on c2 covers all of a c5 knight's forward squares or maybe it's a mate-attacking pattern you hadn't seen.
Sure you can learn this in analysis of long games, but blitz is fast paced and fun. You more or less play what comes to mind first and test your intuition about a position.
Just off for a game of 10 minute blitz. 10 minute is better than 5 minute even though I'm better at 5 than 10 minute!
I actually find blitz games on chess.com very boring indeed. The C.c. games are more interesting. I'm more likely to enjoy live ten or five minute games otb but most of the time when I lose on chess.com I know I'm losing to someone I could outplay every time at a slow time control. Still, it follows the same pattern here as otb. When I'm feeling slow I lose and when I'm feeling sharp I win. It's just that the standard of players one encounters here is one where their only real skill seems to move a mouse quickly and make constant stalling moves. Most of them are just totally boring to play against.
Wishing Kasporov_Jr the ability to become a Grand Master at Chess.
I empathise; and can only work it out by trying to differentiate between bullet/blitz chess; correspondence chess and over the board chess. This is all just my personal thoughts on chess in general.
COMPUTER CHESS
Bullet/blitz is for fun and allows for mistakes that one might not ordinarily make and maybe is not taken as serious as a slower game. Is Kasparov_Jr saying that this type of chess should be given a higher status in its own right. ? (Perhaps this is already the case and if so - Cool)
Correspondence Chess played on the Computer is the next best type of Chess the Computer can offer to compete with OTB Chess. The players set the time limit for moves
say it might be 3/days ..........Maybe it might take 3/days for a player to work out where the game is going for him/her. I feel those long time paramaters are for players that like Chess but might have to leave a game on hold for some reason or another. It is noted there is a wide choice here on chess.com when one makes a choice for time paramaters. Kasparov_Jr makes the point that if one is good at chess the moves will come to you quick and it shouldn't take along time to analyse. I agree and this site makes allowances for that by offering a wide choice. It is up to the players to decide.
Perhaps it might be a good idea for chess.com to offer the choice to the players if they wish to have the game recorded for ratings. (this is just a bullet/blitz thought right now and could be open for debate maybe on another blog).
Kasporov_Jr makes the point that Computer Chess is open to fraud. This is a point well made and backed up on this blog. In all probability it does foolishly happen. If I could write a programme to cheat at computer chess I should be well advised to turn my energy and time into using this tallent in a more legit and profit making way. If one thinks there is cheating going on, then at the end of the day you are really playing a computer programme. I honestly think the number of players on chess.com that might cheat are small – what would be the point?
OVER THE BOARD CHESS
This is all of the above with the added advantage it is as real as it gets. There is human interaction and maybe some banter. It's got a live atmosphere and if one is in a tournament one can feed of the energy and so on. Above all one is in more controle of the rules.
To sum up. I feel chess is a wonderful and challenging game that can be played at many levels and the higher the level achieved it will be more difficult to get decent competition. An above average memory is a bonus and if one has a photographic memory better still. Above all have patience and be a good looser as invariably there will always be someone better. It is all about choices. The Computer Chess I feel will never offer the same excitement as OTB but as a training tool it is excellent.
Sorry just one other thing.
RATINGS
I love the ratings, and the computer dishes them out to you for winning and loosing. For beginners they are wonderful and give confidence to keep trying and improving. Also not to be taken too seriously. Respect the opponent no matter what the rating. I also feel the ratings are a good indicator (no matter what one might feel about them) if one offers a challenge. A player with a higher rating might not wish to come down to the level of a lower rating. I have had it here that a player would not take on a challenge because my rating was too low. I think this is an option on chess.com and not to be taken as a personal rejection.
I think I have gone off on one, I am going to post it now that I have gone to the bother of writing it.
Take care guys and happy chess. In whatever format.
I don't think there's usually such a thing as the strongest move. Therefore one looks for good moves and tries to choose the one that suits one's style.