This is an excellent post.
For the record, I see mate in 3 for white after black's 25... Ra6!!
Blocking really rude players
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Jul 13, 2009
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Suggo wrote:
I would also recommend blocking those players who try to pressure you into resigning when they think you should. Not worth talking to people who want to impose their standards and ideals upon you!
One bad thing about the block feature is not being able to avoid these people when it comes to these forums! Oh well, I suppose no system is perfect.
I totally agree with this post. Some talk of the players who "play rudely", meaning that they start to take the maximum time after their position goes south. Some talk of the players who, when playing against these "rude players", ask or tell them to resign.
Remember that it is a far worse sin to ask someone to resign than it is to simply take the maximum allowed time for your moves.
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
Suggo wrote:
I would also recommend blocking those players who try to pressure you into resigning when they think you should. Not worth talking to people who want to impose their standards and ideals upon you!
One bad thing about the block feature is not being able to avoid these people when it comes to these forums! Oh well, I suppose no system is perfect.
I totally agree with this post. Some talk of the players who "play rudely", meaning that they start to take the maximum time after their position goes south. Some talk of the players who, when playing against these "rude players", ask or tell them to resign.
Remember that it is a far worse sin to ask someone to resign than it is to simply take the maximum allowed time for your moves.
Maybe OTB.
If you're playing an online tournament here at chess.com and your opponent starts moving once every 3 days after hanging his queen, I don't think it's that sinful to say "excuse me could you please resign the game so that the tournament can proceed?".
Jul 13, 2009
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#25
I do.
If you must do something, complain to the tournament director. Don't ask the opponent to resign.
Just my $0.02
I have been on since March and have had to block 80 people for rudeness, offensive language, or being just annoying. I have reported 3 people who were threatening. My advice is to block just the annoying people, but definately report any racist or really offensive people so we can keep this site a family place.
VinceyPoo wrote:
RainbowRising wrote:
marvellosity wrote:
Suggo wrote:
I would also recommend blocking those players who try to pressure you into resigning when they think you should. Not worth talking to people who want to impose their standards and ideals upon you!
Wow, you just can't let it go, can you?
Nope! That's exactly why I have Suggo blocked. Apparently, universal standards aren't standard.
Resigning is a matter of respect. One should not play out a lost game unless the other player wants to. I remember reading an issue of Chess Life that was dedicated purely to this topic. The title of such was "Resign Already!"
One should play out any game they like, lost or otherwise. Just because you and a number of others have decided on certain actions that you deem correct doesn't mean everyone should follow them.
A matter of respect you say....so respect the other players decision to play on!
But I agree that you should not continue a lost game...of course a game is only lost when checkmate has been achieved, and it is very difficult to continue after that!
Of course I have BLOCKED Larz as per my earlier suggestion.
texaspete wrote:
I saw a great escape where someone managed to win against the odds through fantastic play in the face of being a queen down on material.
This clearly shows the value of not resigning too early. You might pick up rating points if you do not - and we know that you get $100 for every point you pick up on this site.
Black to move and win
The above is a great example. I hung a queen early and probably would have resigned at some stage soon after but Larz decided that I should have resigned earlier and made rude comments and tried to impose his standards and ideals upon me. So reacting to his pressure I decided use all my time (2 days) for each move! And in the end I WON the game! So a game is never lost until there is a checkmate.
Suggo wrote:
One should play out any game they like, lost or otherwise. Just because you and a number of others have decided on certain actions that you deem correct doesn't mean everyone should follow them.
A matter of respect you say....so respect the other players decision to play on!
But I agree that you should not continue a lost game...of course a game is only lost when checkmate has been achieved, and it is very difficult to continue after that!
what a mockery it is to the other player to be playing in a position where they have a massive material advantage or even K vs K+R ending. Of course this is internet chess and i suppose the ideology within is different from OTB chess tournaments. One will eventually realize they must get out of their 'schoolastic chess' mindset and realize some games arelost and you cannot overcome the material deficit.
Suggo wrote
So Rainbow, are you saying you blocked me because I was trying to get you to resign? Because we know that didn't happen....and I know you can't be saying that I was the one who wouldn't drop it, not if you remember our game together where you basically lost the plot...you do remember that don't you!!??
1) We have never played 2) No I blocked you because I find you unbelievabley irrating, so congratulations on achieving that.
1) Rainbow, I do apologise, we have never played. I had you confused with another person.
2) Irrating? is that like irritating? So you find being shown up irritating!? lol
RainbowRising wrote:
Apparently, winning the game and annoying the opponent are greater goals than self respect and respect for others. Go figure.
I have plenty of self respect, and I will happily respect others if they deserve it...Larz didn't deserve it!
Now please stop trying to impose your standards upon me Rainbow! 
VinceyPoo wrote:
Suggo wrote:
One should play out any game they like, lost or otherwise. Just because you and a number of others have decided on certain actions that you deem correct doesn't mean everyone should follow them.
A matter of respect you say....so respect the other players decision to play on!
But I agree that you should not continue a lost game...of course a game is only lost when checkmate has been achieved, and it is very difficult to continue after that!
what a mockery it is to the other player to be playing in a position where they have a massive material advantage or even K vs K+R ending. Of course this is internet chess and i suppose the ideology within is different from OTB chess tournaments. One will eventually realize they must get out of their 'schoolastic chess' mindset and realize some games arelost and you cannot overcome the material deficit.
Another one who wants to make everyone follow his ideals and standards...how very sad!
Suggo wrote:
VinceyPoo wrote:
Suggo wrote:
One should play out any game they like, lost or otherwise. Just because you and a number of others have decided on certain actions that you deem correct doesn't mean everyone should follow them.
A matter of respect you say....so respect the other players decision to play on!
But I agree that you should not continue a lost game...of course a game is only lost when checkmate has been achieved, and it is very difficult to continue after that!
what a mockery it is to the other player to be playing in a position where they have a massive material advantage or even K vs K+R ending. Of course this is internet chess and i suppose the ideology within is different from OTB chess tournaments. One will eventually realize they must get out of their 'schoolastic chess' mindset and realize some games arelost and you cannot overcome the material deficit.
Another one who wants to make everyone follow his ideals and standards...how very sad!
my ideals and standards? it's common practice amongst higher rated players. besides, what are you doing except imposing your own 'standards' upon others in this thread? hypocrisy at its best!
VinceyPoo wrote:
Suggo wrote:
VinceyPoo wrote:
Suggo wrote:
One should play out any game they like, lost or otherwise. Just because you and a number of others have decided on certain actions that you deem correct doesn't mean everyone should follow them.
A matter of respect you say....so respect the other players decision to play on!
But I agree that you should not continue a lost game...of course a game is only lost when checkmate has been achieved, and it is very difficult to continue after that!
what a mockery it is to the other player to be playing in a position where they have a massive material advantage or even K vs K+R ending. Of course this is internet chess and i suppose the ideology within is different from OTB chess tournaments. One will eventually realize they must get out of their 'schoolastic chess' mindset and realize some games arelost and you cannot overcome the material deficit.
Another one who wants to make everyone follow his ideals and standards...how very sad!
my ideals and standards? it's common practice amongst higher rated players. besides, what are you doing except imposing your own 'standards' upon others in this thread? hypocrisy at its best!
LOL, I am not telling anyone to do anything other than to do what they want. As far as I am concerned they can resign or continue on at any and all stages of the game. You on the other hand are trying to get people to change their mindset and follow the standards and ideals that you have deemed correct (the common practice). So no hypocrisy on my side of things, sorry!
Before continuing this Vince, I suggest you read Those who refuse to resign when they are completely lost and the Bad Losers thread.
Jul 13, 2009
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No use in trying to get people to change -- in this particular case, as they get more experience in chess they will change all on their own. What is common practice with newbies, with lower rated players, with scholastic players, with tournament veterans, and with masters, all may be different. As they migrate from one group to another it's likely that their mindset will also change.
How about this: everyone gets to do whatever they want (within the rules, of course).
If you want to play on a lost game, go ahead.
If you want to encourage someone to resign, go ahead.
If you want to promote 8 knights and slowly squeeze the life out of your opponent's King, go ahead.
I don't see how it is a humiliating defeat...a defeat is a defeat, just the same as a win is a win. By one pawn or nine queens, it still looks the same when done, 1-0.
Jul 13, 2009
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SukerPuncher333 wrote:
How about this: everyone gets to do whatever they want (within the rules, of course).
If you want to play on a lost game, go ahead.
If you want to encourage someone to resign, go ahead.
If you want to promote 8 knights and slowly let your opponent suffer a humiliating defeat, go ahead.
I promoted 7 pawns and ended up with 9 knights. I stalemated my opponent because premove malfunctioned.
He was ok with all this, because he had a sense of humor [humour], and plus it was unrated.
Fun game. :-)
Suggo wrote:
I don't see how it is a humiliating defeat...a defeat is a defeat, just the same as a win is a win. By one pawn or nine queens, it still looks the same when done, 1-0.
Uh...that was not my point. But I've edited that anyways.
Jul 13, 2009
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#39
Not to nitpick... but a win by forfeit looks like this: 1F-0F
Texas I laughed hard. Well done.