Bobby Fischer said that Chess is psychic murder

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this is a more sad quote from Fischer :

"I don't keep any close friends. I don't keep any secrets. I don't need friends. I just tell everybody everything, that's all."

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TetsuoShima wrote:
btickler wrote:

This is a honest question, why did he stop playing?

For the same reason you have that avatar.  Insecurity.


Fischer wasnt insecue

Yes, he was.  He spent his whole life working on a singular achievement, and once he had it, he would not risk it or let it go, and lost it anyway.  That is insecurity of the highest order.  We're talking Gollum's "my precious" levels of insecurity...

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btickler wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:
btickler wrote:

This is a honest question, why did he stop playing?

For the same reason you have that avatar.  Insecurity.


Fischer wasnt insecue

Yes, he was.  He spent his whole life working on a singular achievement, and once he had it, he would not risk it or let it go, and lost it anyway.  That is insecurity of the highest order.


or it became meaningless because he achieved everything. Have you seen the movie california split??

The reporter became addicted to gambling and sold his stuff for gambling activities, but when he won like 30k or so from poker he stopped playing, because it became boring to him.

 

Also Fischer would have played if karpov wouldnt have been too afraid to accept his demands.

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bobbyDK wrote:

this is a more sad quote from Fischer :

"I don't keep any close friends. I don't keep any secrets. I don't need friends. I just tell everybody everything, that's all."


whats sad about it??

Do you think its better to have many close friends you conspirate with to tell very little and sell bad books you made without any real work and thought??

anyway everyone dies for himself and Tal had many really good and close friends and still no1 visited him in the hospital in cuba when he could have died (if its true what i heard).

you can also read solschenyzin and see how many people landed in gulag because a "close friend" liked their house or their wife.

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btickler seems to be a expert at insecurity.

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or it became meaningless because he achieved everything.

Maybe you missed how Fischer railed on and on about Karpov/Kasparov being choreographed, and how he claimed his 1992 Spassky match was the real world championship.  Certainly not the behavior of a man that thinks his title is meaningless.

I am big fan of Fischer's chess, but to say he was not massively insecure (and even paranoid) is silly.

btickler seems to be a expert at insecurity.

I am, yes...and lots of other foibles of human nature, as well.  

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btickler wrote:

or it became meaningless because he achieved everything.

Maybe you missed how Fischer railed on and on about Karpov/Kasparov being choreographed, and how he claimed his 1992 Spassky match was the real world championship.  Certainly not the behavior of a man that thinks his title is meaningless.

I am big fan of Fischer's chess, but to say he was not massively insecure (and even paranoid) is silly.


it was up to Karpov, he didnt want to play FIscher.

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it was up to Karpov, he didnt want to play FIscher.

Not at all.  It was up to FIDE, who then made it up to Fischer...not Karpov.

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All hail the fuhrer!! 

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TetsuoShima wrote:
 
Also Fischer would have played if karpov wouldnt have been too afraid to accept his demands.

The attitude Fischer assumed concerning specifying the conditions of his title defense match was nothing of the extraordinary compared to the olden days, before FIDE had utilized Alekhine's death as champion to seize control over the World Chess Championship.

Why do you think Lasker remained world champion for a staggering period of 27 years? Largely because he was (as Steinitz before, and later Capablanca and Alekhine) free to precisely specify the conditions a challenger had to either accept or walk away. And the demands that were being raised by Lasker time after time were, if memory serves, much more unforgiving towards challengers than Fischer's 1975 demands were towards Karpov.

By post-1948 standards, Lasker with his demands would more than likely at some point have been stripped of his title like Fischer was - he wasn't, because there was no authority to do so at that time. Still, his 27-year reign is popularly attributed to his supposed infallible supremacy on the chessboard rather than any other circumstances.

With all that in mind, it is of course still a great misfortune that the Fischer-Karpov match did not take place in the end.

 

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All hail the fuhrer!! 

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I am not making any statements about whether the demands were reasonable or not.  That is actually irrelevant.  

Fischer achieved his WC title by playing in FIDE-sanctioned tournaments.  When the 1975 match came, he made his arguments, and lost.  His choices then were to (a) play under FIDE rules, (b) start his own PCA-style organization, or (c) walk away.  

Fischer walked away, and wasted his potential.

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Fischer walked away because he actually stood for something, something none of you will do in your miserable lives

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Condemning Fischer, while sanctioning Lasker who had remained world champion nine times as long precisely due to demands way more outlandish than Fischer's, seems like double standards at best.

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It doesn't have to be a high level chess playing to become a psychic murder.  A sandcastle making can be a psychic murder. IMO it all depends on who is playing not what is being played.   

Some people destroy, devour, consume, exploit others to feel self-affirmation becuase they cannot connect with anybody.  They cannot connect with anybody so they cannot recharge psychologically through human interactions (they never get any positive feedback from people around them).  This makes them feel empty, alienated, frustrated and angry.  So they seek self-affirmation through destruction of others... IMO.      

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Fischer walked away because he actually stood for something, something none of you will do in your miserable lives

A bitter point of view, and clearly unfounded ;).

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tonightatsix wrote:

It doesn't have to be a high level chess playing to become a psychic murder.  A sandcastle making can be a psychic murder. IMO it all depends on who is playing not what is being played.   

Some people destroy, devour, consume, exploit others to feel self-affirmation becuase they cannot connect with anybody.  They cannot connect with anybody so they cannot recharge psychologically through human interactions (they never get any positive feedback from people around them).  This makes them feel empty, alienated, frustrated and angry.  So they seek self-affirmation through destruction of others... IMO.      

Psychology is the activity that requires the lowest level of human intelligence, it sits at the basement, enjoy your privilege 

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Condemning Fischer, while sanctioning Lasker who had remained world champion nine times as long precisely due to demands way more outlandish than Fischer's, seems like double standards at best.

Thanks for helping me prove my point.  Lasker's 27-year reign was pre-FIDE, and was basically the reason an organization needed to be formed in the first place.  I did not "sanction" Lasker in any way.

Champions cannot be allowed to set their own rules and hold their title hostage...

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scottault wrote:

manic13 just wondering what makes you an expert on USA folklore and propaganda..Please dont troll on my country bro...

Guyz like you i suppose..

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finns wrote:

why did fischer play then?

Because it was only psychic murder to the loser