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IMKeto
Jan 17, 2018
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#81

To the OP:

Ignore everything past Post #12.  Everything before post #12, use as you see fit.  

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kindaspongey
Jan 17, 2018
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#82
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote (emphasis added):
BobbyTalparov wrote (emphasis added):

Just to be clear, you have been attacking others for quoting other qualified reviewers and not providing their own opinion, and when someone provides their own opinion, you do not want that either? The biggest problem I have with de la Maza's book is that it could be reduced to about 5 pages. He spends dozens of pages sounding like a bad motivational speaker (e.g. "I did it so you can do it, too! Just follow the plan I am going to lay out and you will be a 2000-rated player in no time! You will just need these other resources, do a lot of tactics over and over, oh, and it helps if you are unemployed for 2 years and can spend 7 hours a day on chess!" - that cuts out about 5 chapters of his book). If you want a study guide for lower levels, The Soviet Chess Primer and Lasker's Manual of Chess are both much better, as they have actual content in them. But if you do not need a plan (as you already know that you need to work on tactics and endgames), there are other books (as already mentioned in previous posts) that are focused on content. de la Maza's book is full on promises, empty on content.

... So to put it in context, for an 1100 rated player who gets mauled tactically in the opening and middle game he should study the endgame, did you really say that, I mean really? ...

Did you see BobbyTalparov (or anyone) say to only study the endgame.

"strawman, no one is claiming that Booby said someone should study the endgame exclusively. ..." - robbie_1969

If study involves tactics and endgames, might that help someone with a tactical-mauling problem?

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kindaspongey
Jan 17, 2018
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#83
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:
Fromper wrote:

Especially the most basic endgames, like those in the first chapter or two of Silman's Complete Endgame Course. Or how to play openings using good general principles, as can be learned from Chernev's always highly recommended "Logical Chess: Move by Move".

... Laskers manual of chess, my gawd, did you really advocate that? ...

Are you perhaps thinking of the BobbyTalparov post (#53)?

"who knows, I was just having some fun with our friends." - robbie_1969

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#84

Another games.  Our friend is up a rook and a pawn by move eight and then proceeds to drop a piece on move twelve only to regain it a move later,  He misses a chance to grab another piece on move 12, sigh If only he had Silmans endgame manual in his pocket for luck.  Maybe he has for he gets it on move thirteen! Alas by move 20 he drops a piece but is still up a rook! He goes for a speculative bishop sacrifice but is down a piece by move thirty, wonder what Silmans manual has to say about that?  and by move thirty one its all over.  Goes back to 'reassess your chess', for the answers.  Maybe it was a faulty plan? Old Mother Hubbard has got more of a chance of finding something than he does.

 

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kindaspongey
Jan 17, 2018
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#85
robbie_1969 wrote:

... an example of the kind of problems that 1100 rated players face. ... By move 12 the grinder is down a piece for a pawn with no compensation where his opponent duly returns the favour two moves later .

Could some endgame experience have helped with the two-pawns-against-a-rook part of the game? What was the time control?

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#86
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... an example of the kind of problems that 1100 rated players face. ... By move 12 the grinder is down a piece for a pawn with no compensation where his opponent duly returns the favour two moves later .

Could some endgame experience have helped with the two-pawns-against-a-rook part of the game? What was the time control?

who knows? it would certainly have helped being a piece down on move twelve that's for sure. meh.png

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#87
BobbyTalparov wrote:

 

What people question is the massive lack of actual content in "Rapid Chess Improvement".  Recommending a book that is thin on content to a player looking to improve is the chess equivalent of telling him to take a sugar pill and he will be better in the morning.  You can, quite literally, find all of the quality content in RCI right here:  "Study tactics until you know them cold!"  However, this will only get you to ~2000, which is why de la Maza stopped playing chess after winning the U2000 bracket of the World Open (when asked, he stated that further improvement would require him to study other areas of the game that he had neglected and he had no desire to do that).

Its a method for rapid chess improvement, its not a method for becoming a chess master.

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kindaspongey
Jan 17, 2018
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#88
robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... De La Mazas book ... relies solely on pure pattern recognition through repetition. ...

Care to say something about the number of de la Maza pages devoted to describing specific patterns for the reader?

describing specific patterns? Its not a tactics book, its a book on a method of study.  Are you sure you glanced at it?

Simply trying to clarify what might or might not be included in this reliance on "pattern recognition through repetition". Have any notable de la Maza "method of study" quotes?

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#89
BobbyTalparov wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

Its a method for rapid chess improvement, its not a method for becoming a chess master.

And it is a method that you get for free:  practice tactics!  (There, I saved you the $5-15!).  Use that savings to buy one of the tactics books mentioned earlier.

Already have the book and have even read it!  Infact might save the grinder a barrel of trouble by sending him it for free.

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#90
kindaspongey wrote:

Simply trying to clarify what might or might not be included in this reliance on "pattern recognition through repetition". Have any notable de la Maza "method of study" quotes?

yes, 'you are not ready to teach yourself about chess until you stop making three move tactical blunders', Rapid chess improvement, page 22, paragraph 1.

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#91

Come one you guys, Capablancas fundamentals, Laskers manual of chess, Silmans endgame, you guys just trollin right?

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kindaspongey
Jan 17, 2018
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#92
robbie_1969 wrote:

... Silmans endgame course???? My gawd he is dropping pieces by move twelve!! how the heck is learning rook endings, opposition, triangulation, how to mate with a bishop and a knight, the Lucena position, the Philador, Queen v pawn on the seventh etc etc going to help him avoid that. ...

How much of that is in the beginner and 1000-1199 sections?

"... Silman ... defines what he thinks is necessary to know at specific rating levels. For example, the beginner or unrated player needs to know ... Silman's idea is to wait until you climb in strength before you worry about more advanced material. Then, as a Class 'E' player (that's 1000-1199), one must learn ... Silman's book emphasizes to the student that the important thing is to master the strictly limited material at hand, rather than get confused by endings that won't help your results at that level. ... I'll also repeat the point that David Ellinger in ChessCafe makes: '[This ...] demonstrates who this book will truly serve best: anybody who coaches chess. For me, as a perpetually near-2000 player who does part-time coaching, I’ve got in my hands a great resource that will have something for every student, no matter the rating.' ..." - IM John Watson (2007)
http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/theres-an-end-to-it-all

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#93

I dunno Spongey, I think you are just trollin me.

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#94
 
 
Which endgame principles would have helped our friend the grinder in this game above?

 

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kindaspongey
Jan 17, 2018
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#95
robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... From memory he simply gives his own experience with chess literature and coaches. ...

Experiences involving specific positions?

"How did you get from 'experience with literature and chess coaches', to 'experience with specific positions', please tell me, I am intrigued." - robbie_1969

Potential buyers might wonder about whether or not this experience stuff included specific positions.

you want him to relate his experience with specific positions? like, 'I found this one hard', or 'I found this one easy?' wow, thanks for the laughs.

So, apparently, you do not want to claim that the experience stuff includes specific positions. Potential buyers might find that helpful with their decision.

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#96

I told what his experience includes, why you are trying to make an issue of it I cannot say.   Its not a collection of tactics although it does contain 42 tactical exercises for the reader to complete.

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kindaspongey
Jan 17, 2018
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#97
robbie_1969 wrote:

Another games.  Our friend is up a rook and a pawn by move eight and then proceeds to drop a piece on move twelve only to regain it a move later,  He misses a chance to grab another piece on move 12, sigh If only he had Silmans endgame manual in his pocket for luck. ...

Is anyone suggesting the endgame book for help with dropping pieces? Are you going to provide time control information?

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#98

He does cite on page 12 two tournament games where he gets crushed by move eight and by move twelve, respectively. 

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#99
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

Another games.  Our friend is up a rook and a pawn by move eight and then proceeds to drop a piece on move twelve only to regain it a move later,  He misses a chance to grab another piece on move 12, sigh If only he had Silmans endgame manual in his pocket for luck. ...

Is anyone suggesting the endgame book for help with dropping pieces? Are going to provide time control information?

the Op asked for help, you and your friends started trollin me by citing Silmans endgame manual.  Shall we go through the thread looking at those people who cited it, shall we?

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RoobieRoo
Jan 17, 2018
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#100

De La Maza, (peace be upon him for a thousand years) makes this rather astute observation.

GM instruction is sub optimal at class level. 

Why?

1. They were virtually all master level players by the time they were adults and have not experienced rapid chess improvement.

2. Gm's are so far removed in playing strength that their advice is often misguided.

He even quote Silman who agrees.