Boring World Championship

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kantifields

I have no problem with drawn games.  I am disappointed with how the games were drawn.  In both games, Carlsen and then Anand, had not prepped for the position and bailed.  Anand plays the Caro often yet chose to go straight for a draw.  In the first game, Carlsen was surprised by an early move and was out of preparation. 

Ziryab
SmyslovFan wrote:

If world championship chess bores you, there are other things you can be doing.

The nature of the beast is for there to be some short draws. Against Gelfand, Anand played it safe the first time he saw Gelfand's Grunfeld, then he played one of the most ambitious openings possible against it. 

Anand has successfully defended his title against Topalov and Gelfand, two dangerous players with vastly different styles. I think it's safe to suggest that Anand knows how to win a world championship match.

Again, if this bores you, there are plenty of other things to do on the internet.

My expectations are that the contestants will play to win the match, adopting a strategy in individual games that best suits that purpose. I also expect that both players will embrace the search for truth in new positions. This search cannot be measured in number of moves.

I am not disappointed. Rather, I like the match so far.

If Qg4 is better than Qxd5, we may see it again. Such arguments often follow draws in subsequent games. If Black's resources are always sufficient, as Carlsen often says, Anand likely will opt to try a different line.

Among several exciting developments in these "boring" draws: game one offers a case study relevant to the next argument about databases and correspondence chess concerning the notion that players unthinkingly play the percentages. Anand's ninth move previously scored 100% for White. Statistics will bite you in the ass if you do not understand the position.

Lou-for-you

It is nothing but an insult to all chess players :-)

Honestly, suppose soccer was like this and germany plays brazil,.. Both teams play well and the match is close. After 25 minutes the two captains call the referee and say that they agreed a draw.

The public is informed that they can go home..

akafett

This is the first match I've ever watched. As long as I'm using my brain while monitoring the match (anylizing, playing through variations, etc.), I'm not bored with it. Disappointed that no decisive games have been played yet, I may be. But they have only played two.

Now, golf is boring.

Vease
7Beaufeet7 wrote:

@ Vease. May I suggest that you get the facts right before posting comments. Last year's championship match between Anand and Gelfand did not have a ''high number of decisive games''. Thirteen of the sixteen games (81.25%) were drawn games and only 3 of the 16 games (18.75%) were decisive! It was one of the ( if not the) dullest, most boring men's world chess championships in history!

Got the wrong guy, I agree entirely with you, Anand -Topalov was the last 'fighting' match (5 decisive games out of 12) but that was down to Topalov's character. If both players don't want to take any chances you get Anand -Gelfand (except Gelfand lost playing a totally dubious line in the Kings Indian, weirdly out of character)..

SmyslovFan

Gelfand-Anand was not as exciting as Anand-Topalov. But amazingly, the match was played at an extremely high level. One statistician rated the performance of both players at +2900 for the match! He ranked Gelfand's play as 2920, and Anand's at 3002. 

I generally don't find games played by humans at that incredible level to be boring. Neither player tried Grischuk's tactic of aiming for draws as white just to get to the tie-breaks. If I saw that in this match, I would be furious. But that's not happening. 

This is just the first two games of a twelve game match. The fireworks will go off. Not all games will be "damp squibs" (Nigel Short's term). 

http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/papers/pdf/ReBiNF13av.pdf

royalbishop

i remember my first beating in a championship match. I took it like a man with my woman watching but i also went out swinging. The opponent had respect for me  because of that but none for the rest of my team.

When the spot light is on you that is the time to showcase your skills. For that money i play Anand and trust me i will start off swing like a crazy man. None of that draw crap. If he beat me then he beat me. Game 2 i come swinging again but smarter and with some adjustments. More so that Anand has shown fear.

bean_Fischer
royalbishop wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

I don't agree with the critics. In my opinion, all they should do is to abolish tie-breaks. If tied, defending champion wins. And yes, extend it to at least 16 if not 24 games. That would have solved the problem.

Play 1 game for all the marbles. If a tie we play till somebody wins. No playing a couple days later. Nobody leaves the building till we have a champion. If they have to play  5- 8 games so be it and it last way past their sleeping hours well they are getting paid huge amounts to play ... man up. Sure the last part does not work for Anand.

I agree. But I have a better idea. If the game is a draw and lasts less than 4 hours i.e. less than 40 moves, then play another game. And those 2 games count as 1 game. Whoever gets more than 1 point is awarded 1 point, otherwise 0. If both games are draws, then they get 1/2 point each.

VeeDeeVee

FIDE has to introduce yellow and red cards for boring moves

One boring move = yellow card

Two boring moves = red card

2 red cards in 1 year = life time suspension

Lou-for-you

The white player accepting a draw loses a finger.

royalbishop
Lou-for-you wrote:

The white player accepting a draw loses a finger.

See i have a better idea that goes back to about the 50's. Have each chair with each opponent chained down and wired to an live electric switch. Every time you get checked you get a  mild but sturdy shock. I think game play strategy will change. I think Carlsen will get a kick out of shocking Anand and the game ends in resignation before move 40. Carlsen wins.

royalbishop

How about this ....(playing around with ideas).

For every draw you intiate you lose 10% of your winnings! Which go to charity! Money Mouth

JG27Pyth
Lou-for-you wrote:

It is nothing but an insult to all chess players :-)

Honestly, suppose soccer was like this and germany plays brazil,.. Both teams play well and the match is close. After 25 minutes the two captains call the referee and say that they agreed a draw.

The public is informed that they can go home..

Splendid! A real improvement that spares the crowd a minimum of 65 minutes of tedium plus that additional time awarded at the end of a soccer game to reward fake injuries, stoppages for racist taunting, and the laughing dancing crying man-hugging joyous celebration that accompanies the rare and incredibly impressive feat of kicking a ball into a giant net. 

pablocruzchess

I think that 2 games is not enough to be angry like this!.... They're testing and waiting the moment to attack.... Maybe it follows like this!, in this case ok....but now after 2 games i think so extrem how the people are dissapointed

royalbishop

I never thought an event this popular could be shorter than a Mike Tyson fight when he was at his prime!

royalbishop
7Beaufeet7 wrote:

@ royalbishop. I think that your suggestion that players should lose 10% of their winnings in a championship or tournament match if they play for a draw is a good idea but with this modification--that idea should be applicable to only drawn games that last less than 30 moves. The comparison of the shortness of the first 2 games of this match between Anand and Carlsen to the short length of Tyson's fights when he was in his prime is funny, but his fights lasted even less time than these first 2 championship games between Anand and Carlsen.

Cool

dogensmoon

I am old school on this. a draw is a draw...BUT...the format could be changed to encourage more fight by implementing football('sic' soccer) scoring. one point for a draw (handshake) and three points for a win (Goooooaaaallll!!!!!) I imagine there would be more fighting games. Just a thought. Still love the game and still hate early draws but I am a hack at chess so who cares what I think?!

VeeDeeVee
dogensmoon wrote:

I am old school on this. a draw is a draw...BUT...the format could be changed to encourage more fight by implementing football('sic' soccer) scoring. one point for a draw (handshake) and three points for a win (Goooooaaaallll!!!!!) I imagine there would be more fighting games. Just a thought. Still love the game and still hate early draws but I am a hack at chess so who cares what I think?!

 

No, in a game between 2 players it doenst matter if you you give 100 points or 1 point for a winning game.

It only has impact in a competion with more then 2 players/teams.

apostolis1
Massimo12 wrote:

I don't understand how the World Championship became so flat. First of all the number of games, 12, is not enough for a World Championship. If tomorrow I want to buy a book on this world championship, what will I buy? A pamphlet made up of 10 pages with 12 draws?

Then it seems that the death of chess was not made by computers, but by the players. Why the organizers didn't put the rule of no draws before 40 moves?

With what Anand and Carlsen are going to be paid, I guess they should work a little more than 1 hour every 2 days.

Honestly it is better to spend all that money on amateurs tournaments, where draws are long and suffered, and players really give their best.

I agree that the games become boring, not because of the moves of the posittional style, but because of the fast draws ! BUT, we have also think like those great players: They are going for the title, they have 12 games to play and they don't want to risk a lose because of energetic play at the first games !! I hope that the last games, and mostly the last five games will be really intresting  Smile

coalescenet
dogensmoon wrote:

I am old school on this. a draw is a draw...BUT...the format could be changed to encourage more fight by implementing football('sic' soccer) scoring. one point for a draw (handshake) and three points for a win (Goooooaaaallll!!!!!) I imagine there would be more fighting games. Just a thought. Still love the game and still hate early draws but I am a hack at chess so who cares what I think?!

NO.  Doesn't work for the world championship because its a zero sum game anyway.  whoever wins more games wins the match.