Borislav Ivanov is BACK!

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ProfessorProfesesen
DunnoItAll wrote:
ProfessorProfesesen wrote:
DunnoItAll wrote:

So because Chessbase is quoted most often it is the ONLY source for information?  Sorry, no.

Do you know what is authoritative ? 

Able to be trusted as being accurate or true; reliable: "clear, authoritative information". (of a text) Considered to be the best of its kind and unlikely to be improved upon.

 

That is what they have become. Almost everone is getting their info from there! That's what I meant, they have been setting the tone for the debate all along. 

Of course it is easy to say in hindsight ,'Nah I never believed everything they said.'

Yes, I do.  And Chessbase was far from the only trusted, reliable source reporting on this story.  Your complaints are without merit, here.

Of course.

DiogenesDue

The speculation on morse code tapping is just funny.

Ivanov is a programmer by trade.  If he wrote an app designed to cheat, you can be damn sure the UI and vibration patterns were designed specifically for chess, and more likely even more specifically for ease of cheating ;).

How about something as simple as 4 quadrants for ease of input/output with a foot?

You can represent any square on a chessboard with 3 presses, or a series of 3 different vibrations types/lengths.  For example, d3 would be:  lower left quadrant, upper right quadrant, lower right quadrant.  Then you tape a "guide" for your toes onto the smartphone to make it easy on yourself to enter the moves.

If I were going to do this, morse code would be the furthest thing from my mind.  Far too complex for the application.

The stupid part is that if he wrote the app that interfaced to the engine, he could have been a lot smarter than to code it to give him the #1 move back each time (which it seems he later changed to #3 to avoid detection?).  

WalangAlam

Nah he'll probably have his own shoe company with himself in the Ads! LOL

PhoenixTTD
Indyfilmguy wrote:

I for one am glad to see that PhoenixTTD has given up his kick about what a serious crime cheating at chess is, and what serious and lengthy prison sentences are the norm for this sort of thing.

I can totally picture him just about ready to start waterboarding people over this...

It is not a kick.  Fraud is a crime, not a prank.  Your interpretation of my post does not change that.  He is taking money that does not belong to him by cheating.

PhoenixTTD
Indyfilmguy wrote:

What do I need to "interpret"?  You said what you said in clear language.  I never said that fraud wasn't a crime, I just said (correctly) that in the panoply of all crimes, that fraud is more on the minor end of things.

First you kept saying what a "serious" crime fraud is as if you were some kind of expert in criminal law.  Then when pressed, you argued that it was so serious that prison time was "typical" for it, and cited some thirteen year old convictions from Singapore of all places as "proof" of this misguided sentiment.

Are you serious?  You are interpreting the word "serious" to mean something more than theft or fraud.  I told you two days ago that is what I meant by that.  Does your family rely on theft and fraud for a living?  What is your deal?  I specifically said it was not a prank, it is a crime, could be fraud, could be theft, you can go to jail for it.  More than likely if they only got him on one offense in the US he would get probabtion.  If they caught him for all of it he would do time.  It is more than a ban from chess.  We understand it is not murder.  To me a felony is a serious crime. 

I do know a lot about fraud.  I had a friend who got two felony convictions for it and he would prefer to be banned from playing chess.  He knows it is serious.

I already explained why I did not link to US law.  Federal law is vague and general.  State laws are all different.  Google them yourself.  There are several states with penalties up to 10 years for gaming cheating.  You can prosecute this under fraud as well.  To me that is serious.

ProfessorProfesesen
Yekatrinas wrote:

looks like scientific burocracy or burocratic science, lol.

Thx.

Moral judgement is not very helpful in setting the size of punishment, either.

Because some people who have no interest in chess will say 'why are you guys fighting a whole week anyway, sitting and destroying your nerves, and doing nothing for the well-being of us ... Don't be so harsh on this clown B.I.' 

they do make a point...

LoveYouSoMuch
Yekatrinas wrote:

Because some people who have no interest in chess will say 'why are you guys fighting a whole week anyway, sitting and destroying your nerves, and doing nothing for the well-being of us ... Don't be so harsh on this clown B.I.' 

and they are completely right :p

Indyfilmguy wrote:

Yeah, plus I was thinking prosecuting a jury trial on the Ivanov facts would be a logistical nightmare.  The government would probably need at least two expert witnesses (a chess engine expert and a real GM to explain the results also), as well as calling the tournament directors to testify.  At the end of all this the jury would probably be totally confused.

would definitely need a chess-playing jury there

fburton

Discusting! Frown

learningthemoves

Kudos to the creative director who came up with the concept of using the pic of a smartphone in a shoe.

It makes the reader want to read on and find out just how they found the smartphone in a shoe.

However, once they read it, they see there actually was no real smartphone in a shoe found.

Our imaginations, in the absence of real evidence, can certainly fabricate some real doozies, can't they?

solskytz

I think that what he did was singularly stupid. 

He achieved world fame - only in chess circles, it is true - through being a cheat and a fraud. 

Now, at age 25 or so, he says that he leaves chess - in obvious disgrace. Who will want to employ him? Who will want to marry him? 50 years from now he will be an object of ridicule for anyone who'll ever meet him who will have heard the story... 

It's amazing that a man is willing to put a blemish on his own name to such an extent. Any prize he could have won is utterly dwarfed in comparison to the long-term damages he inflicted on himself. 

This point had me wondering since the first time I heard about him. 

WalangAlam

All he needs to do is come to the US find an agent that could land him a deal for a book, a movie and an exclusive with Oprah!

gambit-man
WalangAlam wrote:

All he needs to do is come to the US find an agent that could land him a deal for a book, a movie and an exclusive with Oprah!

I'm sure he will, and also complain about a witchhunt

FanOfCarlsen

Hey but it is very interesting how he actually communicates with computer!! I would like to know!

chiaroscuro62
solskytz wrote:

I think that what he did was singularly stupid. 

He achieved world fame - only in chess circles, it is true - through being a cheat and a fraud. 

Now, at age 25 or so, he says that he leaves chess - in obvious disgrace. Who will want to employ him? Who will want to marry him? 50 years from now he will be an object of ridicule for anyone who'll ever meet him who will have heard the story... 

It's amazing that a man is willing to put a blemish on his own name to such an extent. Any prize he could have won is utterly dwarfed in comparison to the long-term damages he inflicted on himself. 

This point had me wondering since the first time I heard about him. 

We old runners all remember Rosie Ruiz, baby fat jiggling, awkward gait crossing the Boston marathon finish at 2:31 (almost an hour ahead of me).  She couldn't remember any splits after the race (I remember some of my splits in that race 33 years later).  I told my mother and sister that there is no chance that woman can even finish a marathon, to say nothing of beat me, to say nothing of beat the entire women's field in 2:31.  They told me that I was being ridiculous and sexist. 

chiaroscuro62
Vince_R wrote:

Fat people can run too. Don't Hate

Perhaps you should check out the end of the story.  And fat people can't run 2:31 marathons no matter how much you believe they can.

chiaroscuro62

That's because you don't know a damn thing about running.  Tell you what - go to your local high school and get on the track.  Try to run a 5:45 mile (you won't come close).  Then imagine running 26 of them in a row.  I used to run that pace for 5K's and would finish in the top 5% of finishers at most local races.  Now think about an even 8 times longer....

waffllemaster
FirebrandX wrote:
solskytz wrote:

Now, at age 25 or so, he says that he leaves chess - in obvious disgrace. Who will want to employ him? Who will want to marry him? 50 years from now he will be an object of ridicule for anyone who'll ever meet him who will have heard the story... 

Believe it or not, there are many people that idolize him for being an arrogant cheating jerk. He will have ZERO problem getting married or finding employment. It's the world we live in.

Sadly I believe this is true too.  He'd make an excellent politician or businessman.

dzikus
waffllemaster napisał:
FirebrandX wrote:
solskytz wrote:

Now, at age 25 or so, he says that he leaves chess - in obvious disgrace. Who will want to employ him? Who will want to marry him? 50 years from now he will be an object of ridicule for anyone who'll ever meet him who will have heard the story... 

Believe it or not, there are many people that idolize him for being an arrogant cheating jerk. He will have ZERO problem getting married or finding employment. It's the world we live in.

Sadly I believe this is true too.  He'd make an excellent politician or businessman.

Especially a politician - most of them are cheaters who tell fairy tales to their supporters and get elected.

Businessmen can at least get punished for frauds and cheats, politicians - never...

jurassicmc

Ivanov is innocent, i´m sure cause he is a good guy and i know him when he was in my country , i talked with him and he had a good chess knowleadge and with the girls . What is inmoral is talk shit about someone and don´t have any prove, what is inmoral is critize to good players like Borislav beeing mediocre players , what is inmoral is eat corpse  when u can live a life without killing anyone ...    Conclusion , ivanov deserve an apology , genious like him  are good for chess while average players disfigure the game .

rooperi

^^

 You're right, we're sorry Laughing