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Hi,

the thing is i have several chess books right now and all of them seem too complicated, the author argue many logical moves, point out some things and principles and after 10 pages he is writting something which is contradictory with his own principles and rules described earlier. I understand that everything is depending of what is the position on the board, but the thing is, he is having some advanced concepts and an amateur player like me is just blind for his concept.

I have red several books and none of was finished because its just useless for my concept and sometime i am feeling that its even harming my play. Throuout the time some initial tips, principles and concept red out of books have remained with me but most of what i red simply dont make sense for me or i am forgeting it. 

What books you have red and you are 1300-1500 rated player,  an indeed helped in undertanding new stuff?

tnx.

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You are not amateur you are intermidiate player and yes I totally agree with your point books are complicated i have tried reading a chess book but i gave up. And if you are finding something contradicting in books maybe it is an exception of the rules mentioned in the book.

and for not forgetting the stuff you read you should make shortnotes of what you study.Thats all I can say about the books,again this is only my opinion which i am putting forward.

About the books I havegone through(not studied) and I have are

1.Bobby Fischer teaches Chess-Its a horrible book I don't recommend studying this

2.My System-I found this book far away from my level but an intermediate can study this.

3. Amatuer to IM training methods and Ideas-Its an endgame book recommended by John Bartholomew

I hope this helps. 

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1) The best book for a beginner is Comprehensive Chess course,Volumes 1 & 2 edited by Chess Information and Research Center,USA.

It's a 448 pages book from two russian teachers,one is a GM the other one is an IM.

The two were coach of the russian team a long time ago.

Very easy book to read.

2) My System by Aron Nimzovich,a 372 pages book

2) Pandolfini's Endgames course,a 320 pages by an IM.

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Yasser Seirawan's "Winning Chess" series is quite easy to read and contains lots of useful info. It comes in several volumes... Winning Chess Tactics, Winning Chess Strategy, Winning Chess Brilliancies...

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If you insist on learning via a book get a tactic book. Thats how the vast majority of games are going to be won at 1300-1500. Otherwise use the fact you have a diamond membership and use that time you would otherwise spend reading the book using the tactic trainer.

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Nobody understands chess books.  We buy them and leave them lying around the house so folks will think we're wicked smart.

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Most peoples don't understand most chess book because they tend to use books way above their skill level.

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ScrambledEggsNBacon a écrit :
DianaMatiushcenko wrote:

Hi,

 

the thing is i have several chess books right now and all of them seem too complicated, the author argue many logical moves, point out some things and principles and after 10 pages he is writting something which is contradictory with his own principles and rules described earlier. I understand that everything is depending of what is the position on the board, but the thing is, he is having some advanced concepts and an amateur player like me is just blind for his concept.

 

I have red several books and none of was finished because its just useless for my concept and sometime i am feeling that its even harming my play. Throuout the time some initial tips, principles and concept red out of books have remained with me but most of what i red simply dont make sense for me or i am forgeting it. 

 

What books you have red and you are 1300-1500 rated player,  an indeed helped in undertanding new stuff?

 

tnx.

The first thing, and i think the most important thing is this.  Most people READ chess books, and dont STUDY them. 

Use a real board and pieces, and take notes on anything you dont understand.

You dont mention which books you have?  It would help if you would post which books you are having trouble with.  A common theme for online players is that they tend to use books way above their skill level.

Two great points!

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Nevertheless the whole study process is aproached in a wrong way by me, I assume so. Expecting big improvements after reading a book or two is not realistic, so blaiming the wrongness of books is an excuse for my inner self. 

I definettly should just stop investing time in chess from now on though, i think from this point big jumps are not possible and a long study programm is out of question.

 

The best choice right now will be to accept my rating and play for fun without aims of improving dramatically, because its becoming frustrating even more, after investing time in chess without result. If i will not lose the time with it and just play for fun for sure i will receive for pleasure from this game.

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DianaMatiushcenko a écrit :

Nevertheless the whole study process is aproached in a wrong way by me, I assume so. Expecting big improvements after reading a book or two is not realistic, so blaiming the wrongness of books is an excuse for my inner self. 

I definettly should just stop investing time in chess from now on though, i think from this point big jumps are not possible and a long study programm is out of question.

 

The best choice right now will be to accept my rating and play for fun without aims of improving dramatically, because its becoming frustrating even more, after investing time in chess without result. If i will not lose the time with it and just play for fun for sure i will receive for pleasure from this game.

Chess take a lot of time to improve by 100 or 200 rating points.

Time= Thousands of games played by you where you can see Good Moves will show you how to improve.

Books are useful for the basic knowledge like the 448 pages course from the russian coach and the endgames book and at least some tactics.

After that you need to see someone play better moves from a lot of games to get to the next level...

That is my experience anyway.

No need to read 10 books! only a few great one.

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Try “how to reassess your chess” by Jeremy Silman...excellent book!!

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skeetrockfarms wrote:

Try “how to reassess your chess” by Jeremy Silman...excellent book!!

Maybe for you, but most (including Silman) recommend you first become quite familiar with The Amateur's Mind since "reassess" builds on concepts introduced there.  Still, if it worked for you, great!

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DianaMatiushcenko a écrit :

Hi,

 

the thing is i have several chess books right now and all of them seem too complicated, the author argue many logical moves, point out some things and principles and after 10 pages he is writting something which is contradictory with his own principles and rules described earlier. I understand that everything is depending of what is the position on the board, but the thing is, he is having some advanced concepts and an amateur player like me is just blind for his concept.

 

I have red several books and none of was finished because its just useless for my concept and sometime i am feeling that its even harming my play. Throuout the time some initial tips, principles and concept red out of books have remained with me but most of what i red simply dont make sense for me or i am forgeting it. 

 

What books you have red and you are 1300-1500 rated player,  an indeed helped in undertanding new stuff?

 

tnx.

How many games did you play in your life?

Do you have a very good opening that you feel very comfortable with white?

In your opinion what is your big weakness?

tactics or endgames or not agressive enough?

I'm looking at your games now,i already saw something.....

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Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
DianaMatiushcenko a écrit :

Hi,

 

the thing is i have several chess books right now and all of them seem too complicated, the author argue many logical moves, point out some things and principles and after 10 pages he is writting something which is contradictory with his own principles and rules described earlier. I understand that everything is depending of what is the position on the board, but the thing is, he is having some advanced concepts and an amateur player like me is just blind for his concept.

 

I have red several books and none of was finished because its just useless for my concept and sometime i am feeling that its even harming my play. Throuout the time some initial tips, principles and concept red out of books have remained with me but most of what i red simply dont make sense for me or i am forgeting it. 

 

What books you have red and you are 1300-1500 rated player,  an indeed helped in undertanding new stuff?

 

tnx.

How many games did you play in your life?

Do you have a very good opening that you feel very comfortable with white?

In your opinion what is your big weakness?

tactics or endgames or not agressive enough?

I'm looking at your games now,i already saw something.....

i am having my opening repertoire well prepared as well as midlegame and endgame understanding according to my rating level, my problem right now its 2 things.

1. I play too obvious moves (not bad moves) so they can be easaly paired

2. I cannot see the game too many moves ahead, sometimes mess up few moves calculations. 

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Lots of instructive chess books appropriate for beginner-novice-intermediate level suggested here....browse...

Good Chess Books for Beginners and Beyond...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/good-chess-books-for-beginners-and-beyond

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell

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DianaMatiushcenko a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
DianaMatiushcenko a écrit :

Hi,

 

the thing is i have several chess books right now and all of them seem too complicated, the author argue many logical moves, point out some things and principles and after 10 pages he is writting something which is contradictory with his own principles and rules described earlier. I understand that everything is depending of what is the position on the board, but the thing is, he is having some advanced concepts and an amateur player like me is just blind for his concept.

 

I have red several books and none of was finished because its just useless for my concept and sometime i am feeling that its even harming my play. Throuout the time some initial tips, principles and concept red out of books have remained with me but most of what i red simply dont make sense for me or i am forgeting it. 

 

What books you have red and you are 1300-1500 rated player,  an indeed helped in undertanding new stuff?

 

tnx.

How many games did you play in your life?

Do you have a very good opening that you feel very comfortable with white?

In your opinion what is your big weakness?

tactics or endgames or not agressive enough?

I'm looking at your games now,i already saw something.....

i am having my opening repertoire well prepared as well as midlegame and endgame understanding according to my rating level, my problem right now its 2 things.

1. I play too obvious moves (not bad moves) so they can be easaly paired

2. I cannot see the game too many moves ahead, sometimes mess up few moves calculations. 

That is exactly what i see! in a game i just looked

You did not see the agressive pawn move and you play just a decent developing move and after you didn't look deep enough and you lost a tempo. because your bishop was pushed back.....after that well you were too passive,you should take the knight that attack your pawn and not defend your pawn with the bishop......

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DianaMatiushcenko a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
DianaMatiushcenko a écrit :

Hi,

 

the thing is i have several chess books right now and all of them seem too complicated, the author argue many logical moves, point out some things and principles and after 10 pages he is writting something which is contradictory with his own principles and rules described earlier. I understand that everything is depending of what is the position on the board, but the thing is, he is having some advanced concepts and an amateur player like me is just blind for his concept.

 

I have red several books and none of was finished because its just useless for my concept and sometime i am feeling that its even harming my play. Throuout the time some initial tips, principles and concept red out of books have remained with me but most of what i red simply dont make sense for me or i am forgeting it. 

 

What books you have red and you are 1300-1500 rated player,  an indeed helped in undertanding new stuff?

 

tnx.

How many games did you play in your life?

Do you have a very good opening that you feel very comfortable with white?

In your opinion what is your big weakness?

tactics or endgames or not agressive enough?

I'm looking at your games now,i already saw something.....

i am having my opening repertoire well prepared as well as midlegame and endgame understanding according to my rating level, my problem right now its 2 things.

1. I play too obvious moves (not bad moves) so they can be easaly paired

2. I cannot see the game too many moves ahead, sometimes mess up few moves calculations. 

Number one is a lack of experience because you do not see right away the best move and #2 well it's the same thing...with a lot more experience you will automatically do a +4 half moves calculation when it's needed...

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For simplicity itself, I suggest "Winning Chess" by Irving Chernev and Fred Reinfeld. It teaches you middle game tactics at a very easy level with simple examples: a position, and then a solution. It teaches the pin, the fork, the double attack, the discovered attack, the overworked piece, removing the guard, the skewer, breaking communication, and checkmates. (And if you want more practice of spotting those situations, "1001 Winning Chess Sacrifices and Combinations" by Fred Reinfeld is a great follow on.)

Maybe you're far more advanced than that level (if so, I apologize), but if you've yet to make it through a chess book, this might be the simplest and most helpful start.

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If you dont like reading books, dont read. There are many ways to learn. Follow Hikaru, Carlsen, Chessnetwork twitch/ youtube channels in which they do short explaination of their plans. Replay thousands of master games with background computer analysis ( 2 to 10 mins for 1 game) to get idea of how masters play those positions ( background engines help you avoid learning human blunders).

 

I noticed some strategic mistakes by you, when I played with you. For example, in this position, you played  Rfc1?? which is a desperate  move in a critical strategic point. Since after that move, I am almost certain that I have no way to lose in that game ( win or draw only) when there is massive time on my clock (4 mins + 5 sec)

 

In such kind of position, you have to play in your advantage side at all cost .You may plan to defend with Rac1, Bb4 , Nb1 or completely  give up "c" pawn and plan to play f4, f5 to get your winning chance.( to confuse your opponent). If you cant push on your advantaged side, you will suffer like punching bag.

 

Chess is not easy to improve, you need thousands of games to get better experience in switching the pace of game from opening to middle game, middle to endgame.

 

To get such experience, play hundreds to thousands of blitz games ( mixed with some rapid, and slow games.). Analyse at least 5 to 10% of your games where you did mistake.

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Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
DianaMatiushcenko a écrit :

Nevertheless the whole study process is aproached in a wrong way by me, I assume so. Expecting big improvements after reading a book or two is not realistic, so blaiming the wrongness of books is an excuse for my inner self. 

I definettly should just stop investing time in chess from now on though, i think from this point big jumps are not possible and a long study programm is out of question.

 

The best choice right now will be to accept my rating and play for fun without aims of improving dramatically, because its becoming frustrating even more, after investing time in chess without result. If i will not lose the time with it and just play for fun for sure i will receive for pleasure from this game.

Chess take a lot of time to improve by 100 or 200 rating points.

Time= Thousands of games played by you where you can see Good Moves will show you how to improve.

Books are useful for the basic knowledge like the 448 pages course from the russian coach and the endgames book and at least some tactics.

After that you need to see someone play better moves from a lot of games to get to the next level...

That is my experience anyway.

No need to read 10 books! only a few great one.

you write the best answers marie