Carlsen is less than 20 points away from immortality.

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Frankie0909

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NomadicKnight

What makes 2900 the "Immortality" mark?

AngeloPardi
NomadicKnight wrote:

What makes 2900 the "Immortality" mark?

If you read the beginning of this thread, you will see that the immortality mark is not 2900, but 2903, next prime number

Frankie0909

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NomadicKnight
AngeloPardi wrote:
NomadicKnight wrote:

What makes 2900 the "Immortality" mark?

If you read the beginning of this thread, you will see that the immortality mark is not 2900, but 2903, next prime number

That's not what I mean, though. I'm asking what makes a certain rating the definitive "Immortality" mark? Why not 3,000? or 3100? etc.

varelse1

@Fablehaft

Nice post, excellent insights.

Only thing I would add is I believe Larson was kind of weak versus players his own rating. But he made up for it by being particularly lethal versus players blow his rating.

varelse1

That is the nature of positional play: you are doing it best, when you notice it least.

fabelhaft

"I believe Larson was kind of weak versus players his own rating. But he made up for it by being particularly lethal versus players blow his rating"

Yes, also players like Maroczy and Bogo in their time scored great results against "weaker" players, but had horrible scores against Lasker, Capa and Alekhine.

As for Kramnik, his score in tournament games against Anand, Shirov, Leko, Topalov, Grischuk, Radjabov, Gelfand, Kamsky and Aronian have been much better than his score in matches against them. Beating Kasparov was of course a great achievement, but Kramnik was a difficult opponent for him and had a career plus score. If there are any players I'd rank as better match than tournament players it might be Korchnoi, Shirov, Gelfand and Kamsky.

fabelhaft

Especially Kamsky should be a "match player", +4 in matches against Salov and Short, +3 against Kramnik, win and loss against Topalov, win and loss against Anand. His tournament results are quite insignificant in comparison.

ChezzAnna

Carlsen looks like he should achieve 2900+ before this year end. But he may not be able to sustain there. For him to be there he needs lots of opponent at 2800+ which is highly unlikely. May be if he plays lot of engine matches and dont loose any then he may go to 3000. 

All champions are guilty of avoiding sub 2700 players tournament so why blame carlsen. Vishy Anand was blamed too for he avoided team matches representing India as he will have to face some sub 2700 players. When these rating numbers are so fancied by us(fans) then players are bound to avoid weak players to keep rating.

NomadicKnight
ChezzAnna wrote:

All champions are guilty of avoiding sub 2700 players tournament so why blame carlsen. Vishy Anand was blamed too for he avoided team matches representing India as he will have to face some sub 2700 players. When these rating numbers are so fancied by us(fans) then players are bound to avoid weak players to keep rating.

Well put!